Re: [DNG] reportbug default bts

2017-05-14 Thread Joachim Fahrner
Am 2017-05-14 08:23, schrieb KatolaZ: again, there is nothing to fear in dist-upgrade... That's right. I'm using Debian/Devuan since many years and never had a problem with dist-upgrade. I'm wondering about this myth that dist-upgrade could break something. dist-upgrade has the same effect a

[DNG] cleaning before upgrade

2017-05-14 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 08:08:51AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > > apt-get dist-upgrade is what's necessary to change release - as the name > means -, eg Wheezy to Jessie or Jessie to Ascii. This is why it should > rarely be used, and only after carefully editing sources.list. It's a jump > into

Re: [DNG] reportbug default bts

2017-05-14 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 14/05/2017 à 08:23, KatolaZ a écrit : On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 08:08:51AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: [cut] apt-get dist-upgrade is what's necessary to change release - as the name means -, eg Wheezy to Jessie or Jessie to Ascii. or if you are permanently on testing, since it is not

Re: [DNG] cleaning before upgrade

2017-05-14 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 14/05/2017 à 14:11, Hendrik Boom a écrit : On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 08:08:51AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: apt-get dist-upgrade is what's necessary to change release - as the name means -, eg Wheezy to Jessie or Jessie to Ascii. This is why it should rarely be used, and only after carefully

Re: [DNG] reportbug default bts

2017-05-14 Thread Joel Roth
On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 02:23:50PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > >On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 08:08:51AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > > > >[cut] > > > >> apt-get dist-upgrade is what's necessary to change release - as the > >> name > >>means -, eg Wheezy to Jessie or Jessie to Ascii. > >or if you

[DNG] Latest 64-bit Skype for Linux works with ALSA

2017-05-14 Thread Joel Roth
Hi Everyone, I installed the 64-bit .deb, and after some fruitless struggles with the apulse wrapper (microphone not detected) discovered that Skype now works just fine with ALSA only. cheers, -- Joel Roth ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] reportbug default bts

2017-05-14 Thread fsmithred
On 05/13/2017 11:03 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 13 May 2017 01:06:38 -1000 > Joel Roth wrote: > >> Long before three weeks ago. I don't usually upgrade or >> dist-upgrade unless there is some particular need. >> Probably I'm not alone, even if that is not considered >> best practice. > > I

Re: [DNG] Latest 64-bit Skype for Linux works with ALSA

2017-05-14 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, On 14/05/17 23:24, Joel Roth wrote: > I installed the 64-bit .deb, and after some fruitless > struggles with the apulse wrapper (microphone not detected) discovered > that Skype now works just fine with ALSA only. Skype is a pox from M$ why not support alternatives? Other options inclu

Re: [DNG] reportbug default bts

2017-05-14 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 14/05/2017 à 16:10, fsmithred a écrit : On 05/13/2017 11:03 AM, Steve Litt wrote: On Sat, 13 May 2017 01:06:38 -1000 Joel Roth wrote: Long before three weeks ago. I don't usually upgrade or dist-upgrade unless there is some particular need. Probably I'm not alone, even if that is not consi

Re: [DNG] reportbug default bts

2017-05-14 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 14 May 2017 12:26:51 +0200 Joachim Fahrner wrote: > Am 2017-05-14 08:23, schrieb KatolaZ: > > > > again, there is nothing to fear in dist-upgrade... > > That's right. I'm using Debian/Devuan since many years and never had > a problem with dist-upgrade. I'm wondering about this myth th

Re: [DNG] reportbug default bts

2017-05-14 Thread Florian Zieboll
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Sun, 14 May 2017 11:49:14 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > This concern that you characterize as a "myth" is something I read in > various apt package distro mailing lists on a somewhat regular basis. > I also have one buddy from my LUG whose machine

Re: [DNG] reportbug default bts

2017-05-14 Thread Vernon Geiszler
> > > -- > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 10:10:19 -0400 > From: fsmithred > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Subject: Re: [DNG] reportbug default bts > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > On 05/13/2017 11:03 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Sat, 13 Ma

Re: [DNG] reportbug default bts

2017-05-14 Thread KatolaZ
On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 11:49:14AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: [cut] > > No it doesn't. apt get dist-upgrade must pay attention to your current > config files, some of which might have been constructed four major > versions ago and have little current relevance. After dist-upgrade, > you're very li

Re: [DNG] cleaning before upgrade

2017-05-14 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr): > Some review of installed packages is usefull from time to time, > ideally just after install, but before upgrade is also a good > opportunity. In synaptic, you can easily review the packages which > are "manually installed" and try to uninstall the ones y

[DNG] Raspi3 RC2 NOT working

2017-05-14 Thread Antonio Trkdz.tab
Hi All, I have tried twice to dd the RC2 raspi3 image on a sd card, but I ended up with a non responsive login prompt. Also the ethernet is screwed, effectively rendering the system unusable. RC1 is fine. Thanks. Antonio ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists

Re: [DNG] Latest 64-bit Skype for Linux works with ALSA

2017-05-14 Thread Joel Roth
Andrew McGlashan wrote: > Hi, > > On 14/05/17 23:24, Joel Roth wrote: > > I installed the 64-bit .deb, and after some fruitless > > struggles with the apulse wrapper (microphone not detected) discovered > > that Skype now works just fine with ALSA only. > > Skype is a pox from M$ why not su

Re: [DNG] Raspi3 RC2 NOT working

2017-05-14 Thread Harald Arnesen
Antonio Trkdz.tab [2017-05-14 22:12]: > I have tried twice to dd the RC2 raspi3 image on a sd card, but I ended > up with a non responsive login prompt. > Also the ethernet is screwed, effectively rendering the system unusable. I can confirm this. Seems the keyboard doesn't work at all. > RC1 is

Re: [DNG] Raspi3 RC2 NOT working

2017-05-14 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 14 May 2017 22:51:33 +0200, Harald wrote in message <5918c355.9020...@skogtun.org>: > Antonio Trkdz.tab [2017-05-14 22:12]: > > > I have tried twice to dd the RC2 raspi3 image on a sd card, but I > > ended up with a non responsive login prompt. > > Also the ethernet is screwed, effective

Re: [DNG] recommending apt-get upgrade before filing a bug report (was Re: reportbug default bts)

2017-05-14 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 09:48:54PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > I'm a huge fan of clean reinstalls. I view them as spring cleaning, and > if I do them every 6 months that's fine with me. Then why are you using De??an in the first place? The main value of Debian above Red Hat and the like lies prec

[DNG] what if we simply mirror all non-linux Debian archs (hurd-i386, kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386) "and see what happens?" ; o), was: reportbug default bts

2017-05-14 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 14 May 2017 20:39:25 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message <20170514193925.gl14...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > > Nobody has denigrated anybody else :) Several people have simply > reported that your fears might be somehow unjustified, ..hum, /usr/share/doc/radioclk/changelog.Debian.gz puts it:

Re: [DNG] reportbug default bts

2017-05-14 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 14 May 2017 20:39:25 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 11:49:14AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > No it doesn't. apt get dist-upgrade must pay attention to your > > current config files, some of which might have been constructed > > four major versions ago and

Re: [DNG] cleaning before upgrade

2017-05-14 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 14 May 2017 12:45:57 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Following is an excerpt from maintenance notes the Silicon Valley > Linux User Group keeps concerning package operations for the Ubuntu > Server virthost running www.svlug.org at Linode. (Ubuntu Server was > _very much_ not my choice, but ra

Re: [DNG] reportbug default bts

2017-05-14 Thread Joachim Fahrner
Am 2017-05-15 06:36, schrieb Steve Litt: Perhaps not in De**an, but in other distros, I've seen things go to hell in a handbasket when trying to upgrade to the next major version. I think here is a little bit confusion about what a "dist-upgrade" is and does. It *can* be used for upgrade to a