On Sun, 14 May 2017 20:39:25 +0100 KatolaZ <kato...@freaknet.org> wrote:
> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 11:49:14AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > No it doesn't. apt get dist-upgrade must pay attention to your > > current config files, some of which might have been constructed > > four major versions ago and have little current relevance. After > > dist-upgrade, you're very likely to have ghosts of versions past. > > That's why I clean install: I'm an elder in the Church of the Known > > State. > > dpkg never removes modified config files automatically. Which is precisely my point. A lot of times, I want to get the config files that go with the new software, and modify them if necessary (usually not necessary, or a very minor mod on my part). > If your > current file is different from the one provided with the standard > package, you are always asked what you want to do with it. > > > Listen, if you want to use apt get dist upgrade, that's fine. You're > > the kind of person that option was made for. But please don't > > denegrate the positions of people who won't dist upgrade, and > > please don't suggest (as someone else did earlier in this thread) > > that dist upgrade should be considered due diligence before > > submitting a bug. > > Joel suggested that "apt-get upgrade" (note the absence of "dist") > would be advisable before submitting a bug for a distro that is > undergoing some heavy change (as happened to jessie, and as usually > happens for a testing branch), and that is actually a good suggestion, You're right. He specified just "upgrade" except when using unstable, in which case the whole "known state" thing is of secondary importance. And I agree with both you and he that for stable and testing, apt-get update and apt-get upgrade should be done before reporting a bug. [snip] > Nobody has denigrated anybody else :) The word "myth" was used. Sounds like denigration to me. > Several people have simply > reported that your fears might be somehow unjustified, Or might not be unjustified. > but nobody has > offended or insulted who does believe otherwise. When a guy uses Emacs instead of Vim, I don't talk about the "myth" that Emacs is better. I just mention I'm a Vim guy. Perhaps not in De**an, but in other distros, I've seen things go to hell in a handbasket when trying to upgrade to the next major version. For that matter, I've seen things go to hell in a handbasket when I go a couple years between reinstalls. Bit rot sets in to the point where it's easier for me to lay down a clean new install than to hunt down all the little wierdities that have accumulated over several versions of config files. Perhaps others don't have these things happen to them, but I do, so I reinstall. I don't tell others to follow in my footsteps, but when the subject of apt-get dist-upgrade came up, I just mentioned how I handle major versions. SteveT Steve Litt May 2017 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
