Rich Meon wrote:
<<
Quoting Edward Bartolo (edb...@gmail.com):
> The above quote clearly contradicts the scope of Debian Social Contract.
> https://www.debian.org/social_contract
Ummm...
> Item no: 4 is in contradiction of what you are claiming.
>
> Quote from Debian Social Contract:
> <<
> Our
Try this link. If it helps, please inform post back.
http://www.pc-freak.net/blog/how-to-connect-to-wifi-network-using-console-or-terminal-on-gnu-linux/
Thanks
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On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 02:29:22PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
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>
> As of Aug. 14, 2015:
>
> ...Speakup is now part of the Linux kernel's staging tree,
> so you will find the source for its kernel modules in the
> source tarballs and git repositories of the kernel itself.
>
> http://linux-spe
Dear Devuan supporters,
We've been talking[0] to unixstickers.com for original, high-quality
Devuan stickers giving back a percentage of the proceeds to the project
as part of https://devuan.org/os/shopping. Our choice are narrowed down
to three types of stickers, and I'd like to know about your p
On July 29, 2016 9:52:32 AM GMT+02:00, KatolaZ wrote:
>On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 02:29:22PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
>
>[cut]
>
>>
>> As of Aug. 14, 2015:
>>
>> ...Speakup is now part of the Linux kernel's staging tree,
>> so you will find the source for its kernel modules in the
>> source tarbal
info at smallinnovations.nl wrote:
>> Great, so answer me a question: How are you getting a system without
>> libsystemd0 today?
> Waiting for Devuan or using something else then Linux as i told in the part
> of my message you did not quote.
This. Plus in the meantime, using a systemd-free s
I wrote:
> ... and in a place where "the IT world starts and ends with Windows" (or more
> or less did when I started here) that's not a bad result.
And bear in mind that when I started here and pointed out that as a Mac user,
half of our internal systems didn't work properly* - the lead develo
On 07/29/2016 07:28 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote:
>
> According to you, voters vote for a political party basing their vote
> on the party's electoral manifesto, then suddenly when the party wins
> the government, they can be told the government does what they think
> is best, and claim it best meets
On 07/29/2016 06:27 PM, Simon Hobson wrote:
I wrote:
... and in a place where "the IT world starts and ends with Windows" (or more
or less did when I started here) that's not a bad result.
And bear in mind that when I started here and pointed out that as a Mac user, half of our
internal sys
On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 08:41:02 +, hellekin wrote in message
<7a010170-9fe0-9a6a-d2d1-7561aad7c...@dyne.org>:
> Dear Devuan supporters,
>
> We've been talking[0] to unixstickers.com for original, high-quality
> Devuan stickers giving back a percentage of the proceeds to the
> project as part of
https://www.ubuntubsd.org/wiki:why_not_systemd
12 points about why its bad.
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On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 10:05:20AM +, hellekin wrote:
>
> Joey Hess in his departing email mentioned that The Debian Constitution
> "is a toxic document" [0], although he didn't say why exactly (and
> didn't reply to my inquiry about it so far, which I can understand.)
>
> Nevertheless, I thi
On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 09:02:22 -0300, Marlon wrote in message
<84cee18669768451a14d662b41d5e...@openmailbox.org>:
> https://www.ubuntubsd.org/wiki:why_not_systemd
>
> 12 points about why its bad.
..I disagree with #12, the SystemD people knows perfectly well what
they wanna use SystemD for, they
On Fri, 29 Jul 2016, Marlon Nunes wrote:
> https://www.ubuntubsd.org/wiki:why_not_systemd
>
> 12 points about why its bad.
very good read. I never considered point 3 really. Makes sense and
indeed is quite worrying to imagine the consequences:
> Since systemd is very tightly welded with the Li
On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 08:10:40 -0400
Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 10:05:20AM +, hellekin wrote:
> > I'm very much concerned that our own Devuan Constitution inherit the
> > "toxicity" that Joey Hess interpreted in the Debian Constitution,
> > and that's why I drafted one that
Quoting Marlon Nunes (nu...@openmailbox.org):
> https://www.ubuntubsd.org/wiki:why_not_systemd
>
> 12 points about why its bad.
I like this a lot because it's concise, very clear, and non-ranty.
Actually, I've been looking for a while for a single-stop place to refer
people to, and can't recal
On Fri, 7/29/16, Rick Moen wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] A nice summary about what's bad about SystemD
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Friday, July 29, 2016, 1:32 PM
Quoting Marlon Nunes (nu...@openmailbox.org):
>> https://www.ubuntubsd.org/wiki:why_not_systemd
>>
>> 12 points about why its bad.
>
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
> True story. As one of ten founders of a LUG in 1999, and
> concerned about some future "evil group" "kidnapping" the LUG, I
> convinced everyone to put a very difficult quorum requirement into the
> constitution. Everyone was excited about the new
On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 12:17:16PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> True story. As one of ten founders of a LUG in 1999, and
> concerned about some future "evil group" "kidnapping" the LUG, I
> convinced everyone to put a very difficult quorum requirement into the
> constitution. Everyone was excited
Quoting Edward Bartolo (edb...@gmail.com):
> Rich Meon wrote:
Seriously, now? Isn't this just a bit childish?
> For a "process-person" to claim publishing a manifesto (Debian Social
> Contract) and then, unexpectedly, stressing "They do what they think
> is best, and claim it best meets the ne
Quoting Go Linux (goli...@yahoo.com):
> Here's another one:
>
> http://judecnelson.blogspot.com/2014/09/systemd-biggest-fallacies.html
Yes, I know that one and think it's OK, but it's a great deal longer and
is metadiscussion. Not the same category of piece at all.
I appreciate the UbuntuBSD p
Quoting info at smallinnovations.nl (i...@smallinnovations.nl):
> On 29-07-16 01:43, Rick Moen wrote:
> >Quoting info at smallinnovations.nl (i...@smallinnovations.nl):
> >
> >>I am a sysadmin myself and why in hell would i like to rebuild local
> >>packages?
>
> >One of my worst and most annoying
On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 09:02:22AM -0300, Marlon Nunes wrote:
> https://www.ubuntubsd.org/wiki:why_not_systemd
>
> 12 points about why its bad.
>
My favorite line from this is
"reinvents the flat tire"
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Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com):
> Rick, that's exactly what I was talking about. You might be well
> intentioned, but in so many words you are saying that you disagree
> with a fork of Debian.
Um, excuse me, but I didn't say that.
> If you really think Devuan is wrong, then flight it ha
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
> In all fairness to Rick, he was making his statements on SVLUG, and
> then, on DNG, *I* referenced the SVLUG archive of the SVLUG discussion,
> and only then did he repeat his assertions here.
And my assertions stated that I like Devuan and apprec
Rich Meon wrote:
<<
Seriously, now? Isn't this just a bit childish?
> For a "process-person" to claim publishing a manifesto (Debian Social
> Contract) and then, unexpectedly, stressing "They do what they think
> is best, and claim it best meets the needs of
> their users and the free software c
Quoting Edward Bartolo (edb...@gmail.com):
> Nuances?! If it is a subtle difference, it can usually be ignored. Are
> you trying to impress me? If that is the case, I am well past the age
> of surprise.
You're right, my mistake. That wasn't a nuance. You actually missed
the _entirety_ of what I
On Fri, 29 Jul 2016, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com):
> > If you really think Devuan is wrong, then flight it harder.
>
> Um, excuse me, but I like Devuan. I look forward to using what it
> produces, either by borrowing packages from its repos or by running it.
> Th
Le 29/07/2016 12:05, hellekin a écrit :
As the
Shadoks say: "if there's a problem, there's a solution. If there's no
solution, then there's no problem."
The opposite is true for sure: If there is no problem, then there
is no solution; if there is a solution, then there is a problem :-)
Quoting Jaromil (jaro...@dyne.org):
[much snipped]
Jaromil, you are a prince.
Yes, I am sarcastic and inclined to mock when I think something is
fanatical and/or purblind. I am often wrong, and all too often woefully
undercaffeinated. I also have a nasty habit of backing people into
corners,
History neatly provides some fine examples where the quest for
simplicity to explain the complex is a sure sign of human
achievement/intelligence.
I will mention only three such instances:
a) The quest among the world's best physicists to complete the
standard model which is a generalisation attem
On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 03:47:45PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl):
>
> > I'd propose giving them some gasoline to burn systemd-shim with. It's a
> > tool to run *drumroll* systemd on a system not yet running it as pid 1.
>
> *headdesk*
>
> Um, no.
Well,
Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl):
> Well, have you bothered taking a look?
To be honest, no, not a lot, because I avoid GNOME as well as the rest of
this stuff. The point I was making is that calling the presence of
systemd-logind 'running systemd on a system' is highly misleading.
I
On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 11:44:17 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
>
> > True story. As one of ten founders of a LUG in 1999, and
> > concerned about some future "evil group" "kidnapping" the LUG, I
> > convinced everyone to put a very difficult quorum requirem
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
> It was a corporate LUG. Kill the LUG, every cent in the treasury must
> go to a 501C3, so they'd be starting with not a nickel to their name.
I suppose that would do it.
You may know that I maintain the Linux User Group HOWTO for the Linux
Docume
On 07/29/2016 08:53 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
Can we get Joey Hess to review it?
-- hendrik
I don't know him, but i think that he would not oppose it :)
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* On 2016 29 Jul 17:40 -0500, Rick Moen wrote:
> Since then, LXDE has been (recently) pitched because the developers
> realised gtk+ 3.x is terrible (something the GNOME, Unity, MATE,
> Cinnamon, Unity, etc. people apparently still haven't realised) and
> its replacement LXQt is a bit raw but pro
+1
I'm glad I didn't reply immediately when I read the original. It would have
been embarrassing for me to be a "me too" :-)
Peter Olson
> On July 29, 2016 at 3:14 PM Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 09:02:22AM -0300, Marlon Nunes wrote:
> > https://www.ubuntubsd.org/wiki:wh
SystemD needs no tires: it normally floats silently on an air cushion
with little to no energy requirements. When it encounters air
turbulence it intelligently changes its propulsion system to one that
uses a highly advanced system of super-conducting magnets. Due to its
huge surface area, it has b
Am Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:00:01 +
schrieb Rick Moen :
Hi Rick!
> I see all of them as being
> problems, because they're all managed as CADT-style projects
> (unstable, forever being EOLed and rewritten from scratch, etc.),
> create problems for other codebases, and collectively form a hideous
>
Quoting Nate Bargmann (n...@n0nb.us):
> For the recent few years GTK 3 can be thought of as GNOME ToolKit as
> its developers are from the GNOME project and bug reports have been met
> with retorts from devs such as 'you need to decide if you're a GNOME
> project or not', or 'what's an Xfce?' GTK
On 07/30/2016 04:18 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
In all fairness to Rick, he was making his statements on SVLUG, and
then, on DNG, *I* referenced the SVLUG archive of the SVLUG discussion,
and only then did he repeat his assertions here.
And my assertio
Quoting emnin...@riseup.net (emnin...@riseup.net):
> Hi Rick!
Cheerful greetings!
> > I see all of them as being
> > problems, because they're all managed as CADT-style projects
> > (unstable, forever being EOLed and rewritten from scratch, etc.),
> > create problems for other codebases, and col
Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com):
> Which is why it could be construed that you disagree with a fork of
> Debian - a for of Debian as in "A fork of Debian that could be said
> to have been started because the default init system in Debian
> became systemd." - that fork of Debian - not a the
On 07/29/2016 12:10 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> Can we get Joey Hess to review it?
>
I sent him a message on IRC and by email including the draft's URL. But
I don't know him personally, so I won't insist. If you're friend with
him and want to poke him, you're welcome. But as Steve said, we're
On 07/30/2016 02:57 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com):
Which is why it could be construed that you disagree with a fork of
Debian - a for of Debian as in "A fork of Debian that could be said
to have been started because the default init system in Debian
became systemd
Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com):
> Isn't that what's being discussed? When did I say the things you
> said were opposition for the Devuan Project?
'disagree with a fork of Debian'.
I've made clear what I said, and what it meant and didn't mean.
You've attempted to distort that into an
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