Re: [DNG] C Obfuscated code: a virtue or a vice?

2016-07-15 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi, << Why are you even posting C code here. Go post your code on a site dedicated to C. I think you will have much more fun and progress. >> Good suggestion, thanks. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/

Re: [DNG] C Obfuscated code: a virtue or a vice?

2016-07-15 Thread Peter Olson
> On July 15, 2016 at 1:23 AM Edward Bartolo wrote: > The International Obfuscated C Code Contest, IOCCC was started by the > "masters" and "pioneers" in C. This is a "competition" for those who > take pride in compressing code to the point of making it practically > unreadable. > > The followin

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

2016-07-15 Thread Simon Hobson
Rick Moen wrote: > 'Doing' something that is functionally indistinguishable from doing > nothing. And a '000' rights mask would be fully effective paranoia > insurance. Present tense and gaffer tape. Of course, any libsystemd package update will rip that gaffer tape off so it's one more thing

Re: [DNG] C Obfuscated code: a virtue or a vice?

2016-07-15 Thread Jaromil
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Peter Olson wrote: > You misunderstand what the IOCCC is about. It's a game. Nobody > trying to write useful code will do anything like what IOCCC writes. well, I even argue is software-art :^) back 15 years ago I facilitated the inclusion of some IOCCC entries in this exib

Re: [DNG] Raspberry Pi 3

2016-07-15 Thread shraptor
On 2016-07-14 22:22, Jaromil wrote: our image works perfect on rpi2 and 3, at dyne.org we already use it in production for a couple of projects. I came across some rumors of rpi3 having a overheating problem? Did you notice anything like that in your projects, Mine is gonna run pretty much all

Re: [DNG] Raspberry Pi 3

2016-07-15 Thread Jaromil
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, shraptor wrote: > On 2016-07-14 22:22, Jaromil wrote: > >our image works perfect on rpi2 and 3, at dyne.org we already use it > >in production for a couple of projects. > > I came across some rumors of rpi3 having a overheating problem? > > Did you notice anything like that

Re: [DNG] Raspberry Pi 3

2016-07-15 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:29:11 +0200 shraptor wrote: > I came across some rumors of rpi3 having a overheating problem? For the case these rumors are true: Standard cyanoacrylate super glue works perfectly well to stick a small heat sink to the CPU - possibly combined with some additional holes d

Re: [DNG] C Obfuscated code: a virtue or a vice?

2016-07-15 Thread Simon Hobson
Edward Bartolo wrote: > At first, I was tempted to follow the path of writing obfuscated code, > but thinking about it, with todays huge computers, it simple doesn't > make sense to write difficult to read code. In the past there was an > advantage of writing such code that saved on code size as

Re: [DNG] Larcenous mail threads.

2016-07-15 Thread Go Linux
On Thu, 7/14/16, Edward Bartolo wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Larcenous mail threads. To: "dng" Date: Thursday, July 14, 2016, 11:43 PM Hi, << About choice of language. I read there are 191 undefined behaviors in the C99 standard, which means an equal number of tarpits waiting for the co

[DNG] debmon.org

2016-07-15 Thread Simon Walter
Has anyone had experience with the packages on debmon.org? I want to use icingaweb2. Any tips or gotchas with their repos? It looks like icingaweb2 is also in sid. Not sure which is more recent. icinga-web (1) is just a "web app". So I may just download it from icinga's web site. Simon __

Re: [DNG] Larcenous mail threads.

2016-07-15 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 06:43:36AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: [cut] > > Your intention is glaringly clear: you are not sincere, you are a dumb > liar and must be treated like one. What counts is feedback from those > who want to really help. > > You made my day, ROFLMAO! > > Next one, please

Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (golinux)

2016-07-15 Thread Go Linux
On Fri, 7/15/16, Robert Storey wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (golinux) To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Friday, July 15, 2016, 12:30 AM Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (golinux) > Robert Storey >> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 04:04:59 + (UTC) >> From: Go Linux >> >>>From /us

[DNG] ML archive oddities and annoyances

2016-07-15 Thread Go Linux
A day or so ago, when I clicked on my bookmark for the DNG archives it was not going to the dng archives but to some other weird place and I had a terrible time finding my way back. I finally figured it out this morning. My trusty DNG link that has been working since the exodus declaration had

Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (golinux)

2016-07-15 Thread Jim Murphy
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Robert Storey wrote: > The commands "halt" and "reboot" do not seem to work. SLIM asks me for a > password for user "halt" and user "reboot" which is less than useful, since > no such users exist. I believe you need to look at this form a different view point.

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is pointless

2016-07-15 Thread dev
On 07/13/2016 01:14 PM, Rick Moen wrote: 'dev' wrote: > You can pin all you want, and force-remove all you want, but > one day there will be a package you need (let's pretend it's > linux-libc-dev-xxx.x.x) which will have the hinge-pin baked-in. You > can no longer update libc. Really? Th

Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (Steve Litt)

2016-07-15 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 02:25:01AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > Cool! Like F1, these four things should be discoverable from text on the > login screen. Or else put this on the login screen, along with the F1 stuff: 1) Hold down Alt and SysRq and type "reisub" to reboot, or 2) Alt-SysRq plus "re

Re: [DNG] Systemd discussion on the Samba mailing list

2016-07-15 Thread Emiliano Marini
Are you serious network isn't started before user login? This is... You can't be serious. Link please? On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Simon Hobson wrote: > Jaromil wrote: > > >> Hi, over on the Samba mailing list, somebody asked what > '--with-systemd' was > >> for. It has now degenerated int

Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (golinux)

2016-07-15 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:51:11 + (UTC) Go Linux wrote: > > > Obviously, I didn't try what was suggested in the readme . . . don't > like to reboot or even logout. I'm hoping that someone with more > chops than I have should be able to get those commands working. Last night I took my Devuan V

Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (Steve Litt)

2016-07-15 Thread emninger
Am Fri, 15 Jul 2016 04:43:40 + schrieb Robert Storey : > Thanks for posting this, it's an issue I wanted to raise but glad > someone else brought it up first. I'd like to propose the use of lxdm (as a graphical login manager). It's only insignificantly heavvier than slim but it offers all the

Re: [DNG] C Obfuscated code: a virtue or a vice?

2016-07-15 Thread Peter Olson
> On July 15, 2016 at 5:12 AM Jaromil wrote: > > On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Peter Olson wrote: > > > You misunderstand what the IOCCC is about. It's a game. Nobody > > trying to write useful code will do anything like what IOCCC writes. > > well, I even argue is software-art :^) back 15 years ago I

Re: [DNG] C Obfuscated code: a virtue or a vice?

2016-07-15 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 03:37:58PM -0400, Peter Olson wrote: > > On July 15, 2016 at 5:12 AM Jaromil wrote: > > > > On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Peter Olson wrote: > > > > > You misunderstand what the IOCCC is about. It's a game. Nobody > > > trying to write useful code will do anything like what IOCCC

Re: [DNG] C Obfuscated code: a virtue or a vice?

2016-07-15 Thread Ron
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:12:26 +0200 Jaromil wrote: > but yes, its definitely not polite nor useful to obfuscate code that > people uses. No need to obfuscate when you program in Iverson's APL ;-3) Cheers, Ron. -- There are three kinds of men:

Re: [DNG] C Obfuscated code: a virtue or a vice?

2016-07-15 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 03:37:58PM -0400, Peter Olson wrote: [cut] > > I'm a fan of Donald Knuth as well. My funny story is that when I was in > college, I got an offer from Addison-Wesley to preorder the seven volume set > "The Art of Computer Programming" for the low. low price of $119. It

Re: [DNG] C Obfuscated code: a virtue or a vice?

2016-07-15 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 09:12:21PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 03:37:58PM -0400, Peter Olson wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > I'm a fan of Donald Knuth as well. My funny story is that when I was in > > college, I got an offer from Addison-Wesley to preorder the seven volume > >

Re: [DNG] C Obfuscated code: a virtue or a vice?

2016-07-15 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Hendrik Boom writes: And he's one of the really big men of computer science -- he has to bend down to go through doorways. I've met him once, at a conference, and two things struck me... 1. His eyes looked intensely alive and intelligent. His eyes looked at me as if a brain the size of a sma

[DNG] devuan image installed on eoma68-a20 computer card

2016-07-15 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
hiya folks, i just managed to get the cubieboard's image unpacked and installed on an EOMA68-A20 computer card https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/ it was pretty straightforward, involved losetup -P, and it was nice to see that there's a very minimalist base of packages preinstalled in th

Re: [DNG] Systemd discussion on the Samba mailing list

2016-07-15 Thread Simon Hobson
On 15 Jul 2016, at 18:10, Emiliano Marini wrote: > Are you serious network isn't started before user login? This is... You can't > be serious. Link please? Ah, I'd mis-rembered the thread. The frontend was consistently not starting. http://lists.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2016-July/387

Re: [DNG] Systemd discussion on the Samba mailing list

2016-07-15 Thread Emiliano Marini
Well, either case is embarrasing. If the network is up after the user logins, that's ridiculous, even Windows start his services before the login screen. If NM, thus the network, is *slow* to start, that's worse! Isn't supposed systemd would speed up the boot process? This is worse than the "kill

Re: [DNG] Need for documentation

2016-07-15 Thread aitor_czr
On 07/14/2016 09:23 PM, Jaromil wrote: Now, i suspect the cause... And i added*aufs* and*squashfs* >support to the kernel. if they weren't in already, I'm pretty sure that was the problem. Bingo !! Solved :) Aitor. ___ Dng mailing li

Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (golinux)

2016-07-15 Thread Robert Storey
I think I understand the issue well enough to sum it up nicely, so if no one objects, should I just go ahead and file a bug report? If we're about to dump Slim for lxdm or lightdm or whatever, I needn't bother, but if we plan to keep Slim for release 1.0, I'd like to see the issue addressed. Looks

Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (golinux)

2016-07-15 Thread Go Linux
On Fri, 7/15/16, Robert Storey wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (golinux) To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Friday, July 15, 2016, 8:34 PM > > I think I understand the issue well enough to sum it up nicely, so if no one > objects, should I just go ahead and file a bug report? If

Re: [DNG] Slow network startup [was: Systemd discussion on the Samba mailing list]

2016-07-15 Thread Go Linux
On Fri, 7/15/16, Emiliano Marini wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Systemd discussion on the Samba mailing list To: "Simon Hobson" Cc: "dng" Date: Friday, July 15, 2016, 6:24 PM > > Well, either case is embarrasing. If the network is up after the user > logins, that's ridiculous, even Windows s

Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (Steve Litt)

2016-07-15 Thread Brad Campbell
On 16/07/16 00:24, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 02:25:01AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Cool! Like F1, these four things should be discoverable from text on the login screen. Or else put this on the login screen, along with the F1 stuff: 1) Hold down Alt and SysRq and type "reisub

Re: [DNG] [D OFFLIST NG] Larcenous mail threads.

2016-07-15 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi, Steve Litt wrote: << Ignore doesn't mean insult. It doesn't mean get all sad. It means not respond, and don't let it get under your skin. And you need to understand that this list is neither a C list nor a Rapid Learning list, so you need to pick and choose only your best discoveries and quest