On 05/13/2016 12:06 AM, Florian Zieboll wrote:
Sorry for my two latest emails. The date was wrong again... It's due
>to the BIOS of one concrete computer.
Hi Aitor,
if you run openntpd, you could set the '-s' flag under DAEMON_OPTS
in /etc/default/openntpd to force time synchronization at bo
On Sat, 14 May 2016 00:13:28 +0200
wrote:
> 4) As for the desktop: On another machine i use Manjaro JWM Open-RC -
> and from a functional (and esthetical!) point of view it's marvellous.
JWM is wonderful. Extremely low memory, very fast performance. I
reviewed it here:
http://troubleshooters.c
Le 13/05/2016 22:39, KatolaZ a écrit :
On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 07:31:28PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
[cut]
Steve, I cannot (and I don't want to) make any assumption on behalf of
potential users of a minimal live system :) The initramfs contains all
the modules shipped with the standard Devuan kerne
On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 10:21:39AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 13/05/2016 22:39, KatolaZ a écrit :
> >On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 07:31:28PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> >
> >[cut]
> >
> >>Steve, I cannot (and I don't want to) make any assumption on behalf of
> >>potential users of a minimal live system
On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 07:52:49PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
[cut]
>
> Yes. What I was saying is to provide an additional initramfs. For
> instance, you could have five initramfs files:
>
> 1) ext4, no lvm, no encryption
> 2) ext4 plus encryption
> 3) ext4 plus lvm
> 4) ext4 plus encryption plus
KatolaZ, you may be interested to know, I repacked your iso to 199MB
(with no actual system modifications) by using xz compression for the
squashfs and initrd. The result booted fine in qemu. The extra
decompression time is only a few seconds.
On 14 May 2016 at 08:34, aitor_czr wrote:
>
>
> On 05
On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 11:45:31AM +0100, David Hare wrote:
> KatolaZ, you may be interested to know, I repacked your iso to 199MB
> (with no actual system modifications) by using xz compression for the
> squashfs and initrd. The result booted fine in qemu. The extra
> decompression time is only a
Am Sat, 14 May 2016 05:28:42 +
schrieb Irrwahn
> Sounds reasonable to mention the default desktop flavor. It
> really doesn't already? (I didn't pay attention last time I
> installed.)
No. When it comes to choose the software to install, it says Devuan
default desktop (i should have known,
I look forward to your findings on initrd and RAM. Another point of
interest, I repacked again with the uefi files (4MB) generated by the
script I posted yesterday. It boots efi-mode in qemu
(/sys/firmware/efi is present)
D
On 14 May 2016 at 12:05, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 11:45:
I was able to boot the minimal i386 in virtualbox with 175mb ram, but not
with 170 or less.
I'm a little surprised that it wants all that. Back in the days of Squeeze,
I was able to boot an older version of Refracta (with e17, put together by
meandean) and whatever version of Antix was current the
I've installed devuan beta from the amd64 netinstall and DVD, and from the
i386 CD, and in all cases, when I got to the tasksel window, there was a
checkbox for default devuan desktop followed by a list of desktop
environments to choose. I chose xfce in all cases. Do the other choices not
work?
Fo
On 14/05/16 23:55, . fsmithred wrote:
> Note/Request for devuan devs: Can you please lower the apt-priority of
> backports? It's set to 990. In Debian, it's set to 100 to prevent
> accidental upgrade of all packages in backports. Thanks.
>
create a ticket in git.devuan.org Todo project
D
--
D
On Sat, 14 May 2016 13:20:52 +0200, Emninger wrote:
> Am Sat, 14 May 2016 05:28:42 +
> schrieb Irrwahn
>> Sounds reasonable to mention the default desktop flavor. It
>> really doesn't already? (I didn't pay attention last time I
>> installed.)
>
> No. When it comes to choose the software to
El 14/05/16 a las 12:45, David Hare escribió:
KatolaZ, you may be interested to know, I repacked your iso to 199MB
(with no actual system modifications) by using xz compression for the
squashfs and initrd. The result booted fine in qemu. The extra
decompression time is only a few seconds.
Co
The standard Debian initrd has grown enormously since the days of squeeze..
The devuan-minimal iso's initrd is 27.1 MB gzip-compressed, 18.6
xz-compressed and.. 186.1MB unpacked!
Far as I know it's freed after switch_root but I assume the point here
is what to do for very low-ram systems..
D
O
>Concretely:
>
> 199,6 MiB (209.297.408 bytes)
>
>Isn't it?
actually, here it shows 198.1MB (207,740,928 B)
However my repack script is currently set to remove *.pyo and *.pyc
(to save space). Also, i never seem to get exactly the same result
from mksquashfs, even with exactly the same input fil
On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 01:25:02PM +0100, David Hare wrote:
> The standard Debian initrd has grown enormously since the days of squeeze..
>
> The devuan-minimal iso's initrd is 27.1 MB gzip-compressed, 18.6
> xz-compressed and.. 186.1MB unpacked!
Yep, that is the main problem, indeed. I am curren
On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 01:35:51PM +0100, David Hare wrote:
> >Concretely:
> >
> > 199,6 MiB (209.297.408 bytes)
> >
> >Isn't it?
>
> actually, here it shows 198.1MB (207,740,928 B)
>
> However my repack script is currently set to remove *.pyo and *.pyc
> (to save space). Also, i never seem to g
Am Sat, 14 May 2016 11:21:02 +
schrieb Steve Litt
> On Sat, 14 May 2016 00:13:28 +0200
> wrote:
>
>
> > 4) As for the desktop: On another machine i use Manjaro JWM Open-RC
> > - and from a functional (and esthetical!) point of view it's
> > marvellous.
>
> JWM is wonderful. Extremely l
Am Sat, 14 May 2016 07:55:35 -0400
schrieb ". fsmithred" :
> I've installed devuan beta from the amd64 netinstall and DVD, and
> from the i386 CD, and in all cases, when I got to the tasksel window,
> there was a checkbox for default devuan desktop followed by a list of
> desktop environments to c
On Sat, 5/14/16, emnin...@riseup.net wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] Some questions re the devuan release
To: ". fsmithred"
Cc: "dng"
Date: Saturday, May 14, 2016, 10:04 AM
>
>
> Ceni, you can get from launchpad ubuntu or via aptosid (as .deb
> packages).
>
>
All debs are not created equal.
Am Sat, 14 May 2016 12:00:02 +
schrieb ". fsmithred" :
> You can get a newer kernel from devuan jessie backports repo, but be
> careful. The apt priority of backports is set as high as the main
> repo, so it's very easy to accidentally get a flood of packages from
> backports. Add the followin
Suspend to ram (done by xfce powermanagement) soft blocks wifi. After a
suspend (to ram) i have to do a 'sudo rfkill unblock wifi' to reconnect.
I also tried with a little script i made for tinycorelinux to suspend
to ram:
#!/bin/sh
xscreensaver-command -lock &
sleep 3 && sudo su "root" -c "e
Am Sat, 14 May 2016 15:13:38 + (UTC)
schrieb Go Linux :
> On Sat, 5/14/16, emnin...@riseup.net wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [DNG] Some questions re the devuan release
> To: ". fsmithred"
> Cc: "dng"
> Date: Saturday, May 14, 2016, 10:04 AM
>
> >
> >
> > Ceni, you can get from launchpad u
In the repositories i do not find a zram-init script? Is there any
problem with (for devuan)? I see it runs in tinycore (which not even
knows what systemd is ;) ).
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Stick with the repos that are in sources.list plus backports if you need it.
This guide will answer a lot of your questions about how to do things in
debian/devuan.
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=58557
Yes, you can compile a package from source, but any time I've done this, I
do n
On Sat, 5/14/16, . fsmithred wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] Some questions re the devuan release
To: emnin...@riseup.net
Cc: "dng"
Date: Saturday, May 14, 2016, 10:58 AM
>
> Stick with the repos that are in sources.list plus backports if
> you need
Le 14/05/2016 17:28, emnin...@riseup.net a écrit :
Suspend to ram (done by xfce powermanagement) soft blocks wifi. After a
suspend (to ram) i have to do a 'sudo rfkill unblock wifi' to reconnect.
Maybe you need to install ifplugd and play with its configuration.
Didier
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Le 14/05/2016 17:04, emnin...@riseup.net a écrit :
Am Sat, 14 May 2016 07:55:35 -0400
schrieb ". fsmithred" :
I've installed devuan beta from the amd64 netinstall and DVD, and
from the i386 CD, and in all cases, when I got to the tasksel window,
there was a checkbox for default devuan desktop f
On Sat, 14 May 2016 17:39:23 +0200, Emninger wrote:
> In the repositories i do not find a zram-init script? Is there any
> problem with (for devuan)? I see it runs in tinycore (which not even
> knows what systemd is ;) ).
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El 14/05/16 a las 17:30, KatolaZ escribió:
On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 01:35:51PM +0100, David Hare wrote:
> >Concretely:
> >
> > 199,6 MiB (209.297.408 bytes)
> >
> >Isn't it?
>
>actually, here it shows 198.1MB (207,740,928 B)
>
>However my repack script is currently set to remove *.pyo and *.p
On Sat, 14 May 2016 17:18:56 +0200, Emninger wrote:
> Am Sat, 14 May 2016 12:00:02 +
> schrieb ". fsmithred" :
>> DO NOT run any kind of upgrade (apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade, or
>> aptitude safe-upgrade or full-upgrade) while the backports repo is
>> enabled.
>
> Thanks a lot for this exp
On 05/03/2016 06:10 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> IMHO the package should install [every init]
>
Some time ago I suggested an init-freedom package for that purpose, that
would provide init, and require at least one of the init systems to be
installed, like, e.g., mail-transport-agent does. Then it w
Le 14/05/2016 20:26, hellekin a écrit :
Then it would propose
you to "use N at next boot" or something useful like that, only for init
systems ready to use (i.e., you need to configure them properly first)
Would be cool to provide one grub entry per init system, through a
kernel argumen
On 05/13/2016 10:35 AM, info at smallinnovations.nl wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have created a single torrent file for every installation image inside
> the 10 Gb and are actively seeding.
> Is there a way to add them to a website or wiki for easy access for
> everyone?
>
Hello,
This is not helpful.
On Sat, 14 May 2016 17:04:37 +0200
wrote:
> In Voidlinux, wpa_supplicant is
> started as a hook of dhcpcd ...
Yeah, what's up with that nonsense? And then the hook isn't enabled by
default, so you have to either ask, do 3 hours searching contradictory
web info, or do 6 hours tracing obscure sc
On 05/13/2016 04:30 PM, David Hare wrote:
>
> http://paste.debian.net/683478
>
Great! Would you consider putting it on
https://talk.devuan.org/c/study? If you need help, please tell me.
I guess you can replace line 17:
if ! (dpkg -l | grep "^ii" | grep "grub-efi-amd64" |grep -v "bin"); then
On Sat, 14 May 2016 16:46:30 +0200
wrote:
> Am Sat, 14 May 2016 11:21:02 +
> schrieb Steve Litt
>
> > Do you know if JWM enables one to configure hotkeys to run programs,
> > such as running xterm when you press F5 or whatever?
>
> This is the keys file of Manjaro JWM OpenRC edition (you
On Sat, 14 May 2016 18:26:17 +
hellekin wrote:
> On 05/03/2016 06:10 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > IMHO the package should install [every init]
> >
>
> Some time ago I suggested an init-freedom package for that purpose,
> that would provide init, and require at least one of the init syste
Am Sat, 14 May 2016 17:07:06 +
schrieb Didier Kryn :
> You have mostly two ways to deal with wifi.
>
> 1) you select the station and enter the key everytime you
> connect. 2) your system remembers the ssid's and keys of all stations
> you need and it connects you automatically - thi
Am Sat, 14 May 2016 19:21:29 +
schrieb Steve Litt :
> > In Voidlinux, wpa_supplicant is
> > started as a hook of dhcpcd ...
>
> Yeah, what's up with that nonsense? And then the hook isn't enabled by
> default, so you have to either ask, do 3 hours searching contradictory
> web info, or do
On Sat, 14 May 2016 21:27:17 +0200
wrote:
> If you configure wpa_supplicant with ceni (which also does the job for
> wired connections, btw) then, the wifi connection on the next boot is
> started *BEFORE* the login screen.
If you don't need roaming, it's sufficient to have the following lines
i
On Sat, 14 May 2016 21:37:27 +0200
wrote:
> Am Sat, 14 May 2016 19:21:29 +
> schrieb Steve Litt :
>
> > > In Voidlinux, wpa_supplicant is
> > > started as a hook of dhcpcd ...
> >
> > Yeah, what's up with that nonsense? And then the hook isn't enabled
> > by default, so you have to eit
Le 14/05/2016 21:27, emnin...@riseup.net a écrit :
Am Sat, 14 May 2016 17:07:06 +
schrieb Didier Kryn :
You have mostly two ways to deal with wifi.
1) you select the station and enter the key everytime you
connect. 2) your system remembers the ssid's and keys of all stations
yo
Am Sat, 14 May 2016 19:21:29 +
schrieb Steve Litt :
> But as I said before, I think Debian's JWM package is so bad that
> either the package should be refactored, or JWM should be compiled fro
> source.
Ok, i'll go that way ... ;)
Btw, for bad packages: Did you ever try the preconfigured use
On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 01:53:25PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
[cut]
>
> >
> > Far as I know it's freed after switch_root but I assume the point here
> > is what to do for very low-ram systems..
> >
> >
>
> Well, I believe that most of the standard stuff in the initramfs can
> be discarded in our
wicd remembers ssids and keys. They're stored in /var/lib/wicd/connections.
I've never had to do anything with wpa-supplicant beyond installing it.
-fsr
On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 14/05/2016 17:04, emnin...@riseup.net a écrit :
>
>> Am Sat, 14 May 2016 07:55:35 -
Le 14/05/2016 22:01, Florian Zieboll a écrit :
I never tried that, but for roaming you can do something like
auto wlan0
iface wlan0 inet dhcp
wpa-roam /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
allow-hotplug wlan0
iface wlan0 inet manual
wpa_roam /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supp
Le 14/05/2016 22:41, . fsmithred a écrit :
wicd remembers ssids and keys. They're stored in
/var/lib/wicd/connections.
I've never had to do anything with wpa-supplicant beyond installing it.
-fsr
Thanks fsr. I understand I must definitely give it a try. Next time
I install a laptop.
Am Sat, 14 May 2016 17:07:06 +
schrieb Didier Kryn :
> You have mostly two ways to deal with wifi.
>
> 1) you select the station and enter the key everytime you
> connect. 2) your system remembers the ssid's and keys of all stations
> you need and it connects you automatically - thi
Zenity is somewhat of a dependency hog. In Refracta, we abandoned it a
couple years ago and replaced it with Yad.
In devuan beta, zenity wants to pull in another 55mb of packages. In my
current refracta-jessie install, it wants to pull in 367mb of packages. Yad
pulls in nothing extra in devuan bet
Am Sat, 14 May 2016 19:21:29 +
schrieb dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org:
> But as I said before, I think Debian's JWM package is so bad that
> either the package should be refactored, or JWM should be compiled fro
> source.
Hola. Try out this ~.jwmrc:
$HOME/.jwm/keys
$HOME/.jwm/m
Am Sat, 14 May 2016 19:21:29 +
schrieb dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org:
> But as I said before, I think Debian's JWM package is so bad that
> either the package should be refactored, or JWM should be compiled fro
> source.
Hola. Try out this ~.jwmrc:
$HOME/.jwm/keys
$HOME/.jwm/m
On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 05:09:34PM -0400, . fsmithred wrote:
> Zenity is somewhat of a dependency hog. In Refracta, we abandoned it a
> couple years ago and replaced it with Yad.
>
> In devuan beta, zenity wants to pull in another 55mb of packages. In my
> current refracta-jessie install, it wants
Am Sat, 14 May 2016 19:21:29 +
schrieb Irrwahn :
> Short list of Devuan repository URLs:
>
> ## stable (jessie) NB: I ommitted the deb-src entries here!
> deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged stable main contrib
> non-free deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged stable-updates
>
+1 for ditching Zenity in all cases. It's gnome/gtk3 dependencies have
become monstrous and has very little in the way of new features in
recent "development".
Yad has been described as "zenity on steroids" but does not depend on
a load of gnome.
Yad is actually now in Debian Sid. We've been
On 14-05-16 21:21, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote:
Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 18:50:59 +
From: hellekin
To:dng@lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [DNG] Torrents for every single install image
Message-ID:<57377393.7080...@dyne.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Hello,
This is not helpful.
I agree, and I think JWM in out of date, as the version of the source from
the developer's site is much later.
I have some JWM images I created with live-build if your are interested.
They also have dmenu installed.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/linnix/files/
Ozi
On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 5:10
On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 09:25:10PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> OK guys, I am happy to announce that after having put the default
> initramfs on a strict diet (basically, removing useless modules and
> libraries unnecessary at boot), the unofficial minimal live is able to
> boot on just 96 MB of RAM :)
Hi KatolaZ,
El 14/05/16 a las 22:41, KatolaZ escribió:
OK guys, I am happy to announce that after having put the default
initramfs on a strict diet (basically, removing useless modules and
libraries unnecessary at boot), the unofficial minimal live is able to
boot on just 96 MB of RAM:)
We cou
On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 04:48:32PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 09:25:10PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> > OK guys, I am happy to announce that after having put the default
> > initramfs on a strict diet (basically, removing useless modules and
> > libraries unnecessary at boot),
On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 01:48:50AM +0200, aitor_czr wrote:
[cut]
>
> I forgot 'dselect'...
>
It's already there, in the i386 image, but I will add it also to the
amd64.
> ... and that nauseating rotten mustard color...
>
I have always used it in B/W, so I don't know which rotten mustard
colo
On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 09:27:17PM +0200, emnin...@riseup.net wrote:
> Principally, to avoid wicd from starting automatically
> i'll have to pull out the wicd script out of /etc/init.d/ , correct?
Not necessarily. Simply doing:
update-rc.d wicd disable
will prevent wicd from being started or sto
On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 12:56:53AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> I don't know whether you are correct or not :) It includes all the
> drivers shipped with the standatrd Devuan kernel (including alsa), but
> being a minimal image it does not have alsa-utils or other
> sound-related amenities (yet!).
>
>
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