Hi Adam,
On 29/01/16 05:16, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:33:52PM +1030, Arthur Marsh wrote:
>> Hi, has anyone built the xserver-xorg-core from Debian unstable without
>> libsystemd0?
>
> libsystemd0 is benign. The new dependency on libpam-systemd is worse, as it
> actually b
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:54:22 +
Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> >> The issue is that many people in devuan are so allergic to systemd
> >> that they will not tolerate a library with that string in its name.
> >
> > Ah, I didn't know that. Thnx :)
>
> Considering that I wrote that in reply to you and
On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 15:30:13 +0800, Brad wrote in message
<56ab1505.7080...@fnarfbargle.com>:
> I've snipped the remainder of your reply because personally I could
> not make head nor tail of what you were on about and it looked like a
> steaming pile of misdirected political
..yeah, quite
richard lucassen wrote:
> I'm very pleased to see that someone is building a libsystemdfree xorg.
> But what about security updates? And what about future versions? Who is
> going to do that? What about the robustness of Devuan? Don't get me
> wrong, I really like the Devuan project, but wouldn't
This was already discussed, Devuan is a new project with their own
ideas. Please look at the mailing list archives. The Devuan is moving
forward to put in practice their own ideas. So forget about Debian.
On 2016-01-29 07:07, richard lucassen wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:54:22 +
Rainer We
On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:07:42 +0100, richard wrote in message
<20160129110742.d8df6c714fb85bdb6e197...@lucassen.org>:
> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:54:22 +
> Rainer Weikusat wrote:
>
> > >> The issue is that many people in devuan are so allergic to
> > >> systemd that they will not tolerate a lib
On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 08:23:14 -0300
Marlon Nunes wrote:
> This was already discussed, Devuan is a new project with their own
> ideas. Please look at the mailing list archives. The Devuan is moving
> forward to put in practice their own ideas. So forget about Debian.
I know that it was discussed
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 01:16:42PM +0100, richard lucassen wrote:
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>
> I think Devuan will be much more succesfull as a part of Debian than as
> a stand alone distro. We will be number 2067 on the list of
> "NeverHeardOf" distro's. The time ROI is very low if Devuan is staying
> alone IMHO.
Arnt Karlsen:
>
> and: https://tails.boum.org/news/version_2.0/index.en.html
>
> ...
>
> Change to systemd as init system
>
I think it makes sense for a Live CD desktop distribution to do so, as
it doesn't have to deal with legacy nor with broken upgrades, and it's
not upgrading a ru
On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 12:46:20 +
KatolaZ wrote:
> And what is exactly your plan to have Devuan somehow merged "into
> Debian", given that any attempt to criticise, even in a constructive
> manner, any systemd-related stuff is immediately labelled as
> "trolling" in debian-user (just to make an
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 04:07:00PM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:15:01 -0500
> Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 08:03:45PM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote:
> > >
> > > * In the "configure package manager" section the installer suggests
> > > to choose "secu
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 01:21:07PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> richard lucassen writes:
> > Daniel Reurich wrote:
> >
> >> > I'm still running Debian but with the angband.pl repositories and
> >> > this marks another stage of being unable to avoid libsystemd0 in
> >> > Debian.
> >>
> >> Not
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 02:45:34PM +0100, richard lucassen wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 12:46:20 +
> KatolaZ wrote:
>
> > And what is exactly your plan to have Devuan somehow merged "into
> > Debian", given that any attempt to criticise, even in a constructive
> > manner, any systemd-related
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 05:16:04PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:33:52PM +1030, Arthur Marsh wrote:
> > Hi, has anyone built the xserver-xorg-core from Debian unstable without
> > libsystemd0?
>
> libsystemd0 is benign. The new dependency on libpam-systemd is worse, as
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 09:15:18AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 05:16:04PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > I just uploaded deinfested xserver-xorg packages, but I don't have the time
> > right now to test on diverse setups. All I tested is my home desktop, with
> > nvidia p
On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 09:09:53 -0500
Hendrik Boom wrote:
> There are many Debian developers who maintain packages that have
> nothing to do with systemd, and who do not entangle their packages
> with systemd. They may not be working for systemd specifically, but
> they can indded be considered to
richard lucassen writes:
> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:54:22 +
> Rainer Weikusat wrote:
>
>> >> The issue is that many people in devuan are so allergic to systemd
>> >> that they will not tolerate a library with that string in its name.
>> >
>> > Ah, I didn't know that. Thnx :)
>>
>> Considering
Hendrik Boom writes:
[...]
>> Until Debian formally ejects it's non-Linux sub-projects, any such
>> attempts are restricted to being more-or-less elaborate nuisances
>> created by people with too much time on their hands.
>
> Do you mean "ejects its non-systemd subprojects"?
At least to some de
On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:12:12 +
Simon Hobson wrote:
> > I fear many people won't agree with me, but I think it's better to
> > cooperate with Debian than to fight Debian.
Peace is always my default policy, but what if those you cooperate with
have a pattern and practice of forever doing eve
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 03:36:42PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
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>
> Conspiracy theory for general entertainment: At some point in time, the
> usual suspects will start making noises about how badly the (pitiful)
> state of the Hurd and FreeBSD ports reflect "on Debian" and/or how much
> v
hellekin writes:
> Arnt Karlsen:
>>
>> and: https://tails.boum.org/news/version_2.0/index.en.html
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Change to systemd as init system
>
> I think it makes sense for a Live CD desktop distribution to do so, as
> it doesn't have to deal with legacy nor with broken upgrades
On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:05:15 -0500
Steve Litt wrote:
> Devuan's unique. There are several sans-systemd alternatives, but
> Devuan is the only one I would recommend to someone not intimately
> familiar with the internals of Linux and POSIX.
My preceding assertion is false. Manjaro-OpenRC is an
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 04:08:15PM +, KatolaZ wrote:
> I believe your conspiracy theory is not too far from reality,
> indeed. As a matter of fact, the support for the FreeBSD port has
> never been official
Incorrect, kfreebsd _was_ an official supported architecture, in squeeze and
wheezy. S
richard lucassen wrote:
> I'd rather go for a, like Tobias suggested, a libsystemd telling
> the package that is linked against, that it runs on a non-systemd
> system.
> But maybe that solution is too simple, clear and wrong.
I think it's a *possible* solution and has certain attractions - but
richard lucassen writes:
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 09:09:53 -0500 Hendrik Boom
> wrote:
[...]
> A thing that remains, as you pointed out in your other post: was
> systemd inserted by Debian or by the original developers?
That's another question I already answered and since Mr Lucasson likes
to la
On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 08:52:36 -0500
Hendrik Boom wrote:
> If you add security.debian.org, how does it know *not* to install
> security updates that have been systemd-ized?
My desktop has the following lines in an /etc/apt/preferences.d/ file:
Package: systemd
Pin: release o=*
Pin-Priority: -1
On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:11:53 +, hellekin wrote in message
<56ab6519.8080...@dyne.org>:
> Arnt Karlsen:
> >
> > and:
> > https://tails.boum.org/news/version_2.0/index.en.html
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Change to systemd as init system
> >
>
> I think it makes sense for a Live CD deskto
On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 15:41:05 +0100, richard wrote in message
<20160129154105.527b4f678a0b1d58ea7af...@lucassen.org>:
> And yes, there is "systemd" in the name. Sorry for that ;-)
..the important thing is what it does when it strikes, not
its name, nor what it pretends to do in the mean time.
-
On 2016-01-27 14:57, Steve Litt wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 11:42:59 +0100
> And that begs the question: "Who is Karen Sandler?"
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Sandler
..small fish, nice . ;o)
The preceding half sentence is one example of something that should
NEVER appear in any
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:06:04 +0100, Florian wrote in message
<20160128190604.2f421976.f.zieb...@web.de>:
> On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:20:29 +0100
> Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>
> > ..and we are sure we didn't fall for another
> > http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TheKenThompsonHack ?
>
> Are we?!
..I suspect not
On 01/29/2016 11:38 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:05:15 -0500
> Steve Litt wrote:
>
>
>> Devuan's unique. There are several sans-systemd alternatives, but
>> Devuan is the only one I would recommend to someone not intimately
>> familiar with the internals of Linux and POSIX.
>
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