richard lucassen <mailingli...@lucassen.org> wrote: > I'm very pleased to see that someone is building a libsystemdfree xorg. > But what about security updates? And what about future versions? Who is > going to do that? What about the robustness of Devuan? Don't get me > wrong, I really like the Devuan project, but wouldn't it be better to > create a "systemv.debian.org", a sub version of debian, like the > "backports.debian.org"? If Devuan is part of the Debian project, we > will have much more influence on what's going on. Maybe it's better to > build an extension to Debian than to build our own infrastructure. > > I fear many people won't agree with me, but I think it's better to > cooperate with Debian than to fight Debian. Debian has a nice > infrastructure. If we will be able to build a Debian extension and not > a Debian fork, I think we can all win. On one side we will be able to > use Debian's infrastructure and have influence on what's going on > there, on the other side Debian will have a nice and fully supported > non-systemd version.
I agree with you, for so many reasons it would make more sense - as you point out, Debian already has all the infrastructure in place to support that. One of the concerns I have with Devuan is that there's a shortish window (basically until Debian Wheezy is out of support) to get a "viable"* project up and running - after which the boat has been missed for a lot of potential users*. I would add that if there were an official systemd-free Debian subproject, then it would be easier to get package maintainers to support non-systemd versions. At present, the attitude from some of them is "systemd is the default, if you don't install libsystemd0 then tough ****" - the ClamAV guys were "fairly intolerant" of suggestions that they could make that a soft dependency ! Though they still did a Wheezy-security update so already have two versions of the package (with and without libsystemd0 requirement. I can see several reasons it won't/can't happen - all political ! 1) Some people here are so "entrenched" in their beliefs that such "consorting with the enemy" won't be popular. 2) Some people in Debian are so entrenched that such a heretic sub-project would not be allowed. 3) It would appear that some people here are persona non-gratis on Debian mailing lists (I don't know why, I can only assume for being vocally anti-systemd), that doesn't bode well for them being accepted back. * For a lot of people, there are PHBs to keep happy. If the PHB expects stuff to be a supported version, from a recognised distro, with proper package repositories - then the current setup where it's a mix of Debian and "some guys personal repository"** then that won't cut it. ** Apologies if I'm wrong, but that's how it looks at the moment. It would be nice if we could avoid the corporate politics, but for most, that's not possible. _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
