Re: [DNG] Slackware now uses PulseAudio...

2016-01-17 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Emiliano Marini writes: > Word from Eric Hameleers, one of the main Slackware maintainers (AKA > alienbob): > >> "...you have to have PA installed because applications are now linking >> against it. What you can still do is configure PA to be an input channel >> for ALSA and leave ALSA to control

Re: [DNG] Slackware now uses PulseAudio...

2016-01-17 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Pulse's long delays are a problem for musicians. If you want to coordinate two sound sources accurately, those delays are a nuisance. But that is something musicians do, not consumers. Consumers do not really care how many thousandths of a second the sound is delayed on its way to the speakers.

Re: [DNG] Slackware now uses PulseAudio...

2016-01-17 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Arnt Gulbrandsen writes: > Pulse's long delays are a problem for musicians. If you want to > coordinate two sound sources accurately, those delays are a > nuisance. But that is something musicians do, not consumers. > Consumers do not really care how many thousandths of a second the > sound is del

Re: [DNG] Slackware now uses PulseAudio...

2016-01-17 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2016 17 Jan 07:21 -0600, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > A 'consumer' is - by definition - an entirely passive entity, somewhat > like a refuse bin, who is supposed to swallow whatever is to be > put into him by people who control 'production'. I always had in mind one of those pedal operated trash

Re: [DNG] Slackware now uses PulseAudio...

2016-01-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 12:25:53 + Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Emiliano Marini writes: > > Word from Eric Hameleers, one of the main Slackware maintainers (AKA > > alienbob): > > > >> "...you have to have PA installed because applications are now > >> linking against it. What you can still do is

Re: [DNG] Slackware now uses PulseAudio...

2016-01-17 Thread Brad Campbell
On 18/01/16 02:23, Steve Litt wrote: In all fairness, I've found few softwares as difficult to install and get right as Jack. In fact, of the five times I've tried to install it on various distros, I've succeeded zero times. So I'd settle for Pulse (or ALSA or OSS) over Jack simply because I ca

[DNG] Jack or Pulse

2016-01-17 Thread Simon Wise
On 18/01/16 05:23, Steve Litt wrote: In all fairness, I've found few softwares as difficult to install and get right as Jack. In fact, of the five times I've tried to install it on various distros, I've succeeded zero times. Jack is extremely flexible, and essential if you want what it does.

Re: [DNG] Slackware now uses PulseAudio...

2016-01-17 Thread Daniel Reurich
On 18/01/16 14:11, Brad Campbell wrote: > On 18/01/16 02:23, Steve Litt wrote: > >> In all fairness, I've found few softwares as difficult to install and >> get right as Jack. In fact, of the five times I've tried to install it >> on various distros, I've succeeded zero times. >> >> So I'd settle

Re: [DNG] Upgrading a MIPSel Jessie to Devuan

2016-01-17 Thread David Kuehling
> "David" == David Kuehling writes: > Hi, can I perform an "upgrade" from Debian Jessie to Devuan, as > described on devuan.org, on a system running MIPSel architecture > Debian? Replying to myself, just for the mail archives: after some chatting on #debian-fork it looks like currently Devua

Re: [DNG] Slackware now uses PulseAudio...

2016-01-17 Thread Simon Wise
On 18/01/16 12:34, Daniel Reurich wrote: On 18/01/16 14:11, Brad Campbell wrote: On 18/01/16 02:23, Steve Litt wrote: In all fairness, I've found few softwares as difficult to install and get right as Jack. In fact, of the five times I've tried to install it on various distros, I've succeeded

Re: [DNG] Does dunst require dbus?

2016-01-17 Thread Simon Wise
On 17/01/16 08:08, Steve Litt wrote: On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 15:32:11 -0500 Mitt Green wrote: Steve Litt wrote: I'm not for a moment suggesting Devuan should remove Debian's libdbus dependency. We have bigger fish to fry. $ apt-cache rdepends libdbus-1-3 libdbus-1-3 Reverse Depends: (...) 436

Re: [DNG] Upgrading a MIPSel Jessie to Devuan

2016-01-17 Thread Daniel Reurich
On 18/01/16 15:02, David Kuehling wrote: >> "David" == David Kuehling writes: > >> Hi, can I perform an "upgrade" from Debian Jessie to Devuan, as >> described on devuan.org, on a system running MIPSel architecture >> Debian? > > Replying to myself, just for the mail archives: after some cha

Re: [DNG] Slackware now uses PulseAudio...

2016-01-17 Thread Brad Campbell
On 18/01/16 10:00, Simon Wise wrote: installing it is one step ... but you will not get sound from your desktop apps to your speakers without setting things up to achieve that. Normally using Jack you will have a number of other apps in the chain ... say processing some audio path, or a gui to s

Re: [DNG] Upgrading a MIPSel Jessie to Devuan

2016-01-17 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 03:02:16AM +0100, David Kuehling wrote: > Especially on Mips one may have to work with older or non-official > kernels, which used to be no problem with Debian, until Systemd came > around. Here [1] it says systemd needs Linux > 3.7: I only have <= 3.5 > on my Mips machines

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

2016-01-17 Thread dev1fanboy
Some suggestions for minor updates to quick start translations. There is a change in devuan that means it's no longer necessary to do "apt-get install sysvinit core" anymore, also "apt-get install basefiles" is not necessary. As mentioned before, adding the user to the disk group is not needed