On Sat, Jan 02, 2016 at 09:05:26AM -0500, Stephanie Daugherty wrote:
> Might be worth trying to get interest upstream for functionality to "merge"
> binary modules with an already compiled kernel as a single file.
> Presumably, it wouldn't be *that* difficult for the kernel to look for
> modules at
On Sat, Jan 02, 2016 at 01:11:07PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Jan 2016 09:08:37 +
> KatolaZ wrote:
>
>
> > If your root fs does not change every five minutes, you can have a
> > custom kernel with ext4 and a few other drivers compiled in, and get
> > rid of initramfs altogether. Th
On Sat, Jan 02, 2016 at 01:50:22PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
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>
> :s/choice/easy choice/
>
> Maybe 1 out of 50 Linux users can reliably compile their own kernels.
>
Then, Steve, if I am one of those 49 Linux users who cannot reliably
compile a kernel, there is a very high probability tha
On Sat, Jan 02, 2016 at 01:53:02PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> Where can I find documentation on how to do this? The last time I
> compiled a kernel was probably in the 20th century, so I imagine things
> have changed.
>
> You mention that you recompile your kernel. What do you do every time
>
Hi Guys,
I have noticed that since I moved to Devuan several months ago, I have
"lost" the long descriptions provided by "apt-cache show". What I
mean is that if I give (just to make an example):
apt-cache show texlive-publishers
the record "Description:" contains only:
Description: TeX L
On 03/01/16 23:06, KatolaZ wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> I have noticed that since I moved to Devuan several months ago, I
> have "lost" the long descriptions provided by "apt-cache show". What
> I mean is that if I give (just to make an example):
>
> apt-cache show texlive-publishers
>
> the record "D
On Sun, Jan 03, 2016 at 11:13:40PM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote:
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> I think you'll find it's probably a package update which included
> reducing the description to something a bit more concise.
>
> To be sure you'd have to look up the package tracking info...
>
Hi, sorry but probably I was
On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 3:59 AM, KatolaZ wrote:
> But what's the point of having modules "at the end of [the kernel]
> image"? You can just compile-in them.
>
Simple, It's to be able to turn a packaged, distribution supplied kernel
into one that will successfully boot on obscure hardware - to be
Hmm.. Nice find, Steve. I have a specific application in mind[1] that I've been
wishing I could get running on current distros. I'll have to give it a try.
http://www.debugmode.com/wink/
On January 2, 2016 8:46:02 PM CST, Steve Litt wrote:
::Hi all,
::
::Has anyone here ever used Statifier
::(
After reading Steve's post about Statifier I got to thinking; where is a good
desktop recording for Linux ? I used to use Wink[1] but the guy hasn't put out
a Linux update in a long time.
Anyone have a recommendation for something like RecordMyDesktop[2] which allows
you to insert notes/balloo
There is OBI (Open Broadcaster Software) and there is Simple Screen
Recorder (SSR). While adding certain things would require editing. These
tools are decent, although with OBI it can be a bit hard to get it to
work.
On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 6:28 AM, vmlinux wrote:
> After reading Steve's post
> I was trying to explain that "a distribution"
> has to use initrd/ initramfs because of problems specific to
> distribution kernels but that individual users don't have to use this
> mechanism if they don't want to because they can just compile a kernel
> which will work with their hardware (whic
On 03/01/16 23:19, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 03, 2016 at 11:13:40PM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
>> I think you'll find it's probably a package update which included
>> reducing the description to something a bit more concise.
>>
>> To be sure you'd have to look up the package trac
On 02/01/2016 23:39, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
On Sat, 02 Jan 2016 05:50:15 -0500, Mitt wrote in message
:
Not sure about poetteringisation (of how should this be spelled?)
but take a look at this link:
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge/
and this
https://fedorapr
Hi,
People don't understand: it is bad to manage their own OS. That is the
work for EXPERTS who know BETTER. Users should only be allowed to move
the mouse, click its cool buttons, and sometimes use DVDs (CDs) to run
recovery software. Other than that, it is bad management.
[/sarcasm]
Edward
>
Hi Roger,
Could you please send your text below to debian-devel too? Here at
Devuan most people are aware of the issues. Unfortunately many of the
Debian developers/maintainers aren't :(
On Sun, 2016-01-03 at 13:25 +, Roger Leigh wrote:
>
> It's not something that nefarious. It's about inex
On 03/01/2016 14:33, Svante Signell wrote:
Hi Roger,
Could you please send your text below to debian-devel too? Here at
Devuan most people are aware of the issues. Unfortunately many of the
Debian developers/maintainers aren't :(
None of this is new. It's merely repeating the details of discu
On 03/01/2016 14:23, Edward Bartolo wrote:
Hi,
People don't understand: it is bad to manage their own OS. That is the
work for EXPERTS who know BETTER. Users should only be allowed to move
the mouse, click its cool buttons, and sometimes use DVDs (CDs) to run
recovery software. Other than that,
On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 8:25 AM, Roger Leigh wrote:
> Regarding the comments people made about having separate / and /usr
> filesystems. While it was common historically, there is little or no
> practical benefit to doing so in 2016. Storage sizes make it unnecessary
> for pretty much all practi
First, I am not going to discuss the merits of a script that
helps one easily through the 100+ steps it takes to lock down
a *nix system. The benefit is self evident and every single
person who has claimed otherwise is either a fool or acting
in malice to protect their vested interests in getting
Thank you, Roger, for a well reasoned and coherent explanation on /usr
merge.
- Nate
--
"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true."
Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us
___
To Those opposed:
I know you like to recently start imagining this project here as the
successor to Ian's*(RIP) project
Ian's project was happy to incorporate scripts to help in the
hardening of the system, His project was happy to add all measures
of good task-specific programs to make the linux
Stephanie Daugherty wrote:
>> But what's the point of having modules "at the end of [the kernel] image"?
>> You can just compile-in them.
>
> Simple, It's to be able to turn a packaged, distribution supplied kernel into
> one that will successfully boot on obscure hardware - to be able to inje
On 03/01/2016 17:11, Simon Hobson wrote:
Roger Leigh wrote:
The *real* goal here is something rather simpler: having both / and /usr
mounted in the initramfs. The primary reason for this is that there are
genuine problems with stuff on / needed in early boot having library
dependencies loc
Great way to start the new year. Looks like Gregory Smith might be back. Ugh
. . .
On Sun, 1/3/16, chaosesquet...@cock.li wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] Please Adopt Bastille Linux Security Script for Devuan.
Please.
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: S
Le 02/01/2016 11:27, k...@aspodata.se a écrit :
Initrd would be an alt. solution in the nfs case, but there you
basically have the same split, initrd beeing the small fs, nfs-/
beeing the big.
That's a case where initramfs is really usefull because you can do
a lot of tricks in the initramfs
Le 02/01/2016 11:47, richard lucassen a écrit :
I was told that the "s" in /sbin and /usr/sbin stands for*staticly*
built binaries.
I guess it means "Sysadmin only" :-) much like the "System"
submenu in Debian's menu.
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Dng mailing list
Dng@
Well, the list is named Debian (Devuan?) is Not GNOME,
still, what are the plans towards it?
I have been playing with Debian GNOME3 installation but
upgrading from Stable to Unstable was a disaster, APT
wanted to remove everything from the system,
including systemd, even though it didn't know Devu
Le 02/01/2016 18:30, aitor_czr a écrit :
Devuan-installer can replace the kernel in the target (the installed
system) during the installation adding/removing all the
wanted/unwanted modules.
Are you meaning "recompile the kernel with the needed drivers
built-in" ? Otherwise I don't underst
Why are you merging the debian, backports and dmo repos? Is there a way to
separate them? I have rarely used backports and always downloaded what I need
from dmo when I first install and then disable it. dmo can really break things
if you're not careful.
Avidemux is in the dmo repos. The ne
Le 02/01/2016 18:39, Steve Litt a écrit :
In other words, I don't think this stuff has to be compiled into
the kernel monolithically: It just has to be in the right directories
on the root partition.
Either a driver is built in the kernel or it is in a loadable
module. In the last case, th
On Sun, Jan 03, 2016 at 05:25:39PM +, Go Linux wrote:
> Great way to start the new year. Looks like Gregory Smith might be back.
> Ugh . . .
Your frustration may be justified, but you are doing less sophisticated
readers like myself a disservice. I've not thought about bastille for
many ye
Le 02/01/2016 15:05, Stephanie Daugherty a écrit :
Might be worth trying to get interest upstream for functionality to
"merge" binary modules with an already compiled kernel as a single
file. Presumably, it wouldn't be *that* difficult for the kernel to
look for modules at the end of its image
On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 18:36:48 +0100
Didier Kryn wrote:
> > I was told that the "s" in /sbin and /usr/sbin stands for*staticly*
> > built binaries.
>
> I guess it means "Sysadmin only" :-) much like the "System"
> submenu in Debian's menu.
Could be a logical explanation :)
--
richard luca
Le 02/01/2016 19:06, Steve Litt a écrit :
But there's a solution: Initramfs! Cool! Except that initramfs is one
or two more orders of magnitude more complicated than executable
splitting. So the slight simplification of merging directories buys you
a huge complication of initramfs black-boxism.
Le 02/01/2016 19:53, Steve Litt a écrit :
How do you tell your kernel not to load an initramfs?
There's an item in "make menuconfig" where you can tell where to
find the initramfs.
There are two ways to build it: either provide a compressed archive
or a list of files. I'm sure you can
Apologies to Chandler who has to read this twice now;
I've had pretty good success with avconv/ffmpeg to grab desktop and audio,
followed up with kdenlive for additional edits. Don't have to grab the
whole desktop if you don't want to, like so:
avconv -f alsa -i hw:0 -f x11grab -show_region 1 -i
Am Sonntag, 3. Januar 2016 schrieb Mitt Green:
> [...]
> By the way, TDE (trinitydesktop.org) does not
> need systemd to run, and was working
> great in my installation, they have builds for
> Stable and Testing/Unstable. And even complete
> and bloated setup has much less packages
> comparing to G
Roger Leigh writes:
> On 03/01/2016 14:23, Edward Bartolo wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> People don't understand: it is bad to manage their own OS. That is the
>> work for EXPERTS who know BETTER. Users should only be allowed to move
>> the mouse, click its cool buttons, and sometimes use DVDs (CDs) to run
>
As far as I can tell there is no harden-tools in debian or devuan jessie nor
harden-docs, those are missing too (was looking for them the other day). Maybe
because most of it doesn't apply in debian with systemd, can't see any of that
working there.
On Sunday, January 3, 2016 6:03 PM, Haines
Does harden-tools incorporate or improve on bastille?
No, not to my knowledge. Bastille still works and is quite well
supportive of
any normal linux. The new TCL version that debian adopted decided to
DEEPPRREEECCIIIAATTEEE
previously working code, because, you know, can NEVER have anything
sta
Please keep to the traditional Linux way and keep /usr/ etc as is.
This shouldn't even be a debate.
Devuan's reason to _BE_ is to not go along with the way Systemd/Linux
is being pulled but to stay what Debian was before the coup:
Gnu/Linux.
Gnu/Linux always had /usr/
Retraining our minds from
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
>I want to point out, that TDE is very configurable (which cannot be said from
>GNOME 2/3),
>and kmail is the best mail client with maildir support available.
My personal problems with TDE:
- it's a Qt DE;
- it's ugly;
- it's waaay too configurable, with own settings di
On 01/04/2016 08:39 AM, Mitt Green wrote:
> Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
>
> >I want to point out, that TDE is very configurable (which cannot be said
> >from GNOME 2/3),
> >and kmail is the best mail client with maildir support available.
>
> My personal problems with TDE:
> - it's a Qt DE;
> - it's
On Sun, 03 Jan 2016 15:51:09 +
chaosesquet...@cock.li wrote:
> First, I am not going to discuss the merits of a script that
> helps one easily through the 100+ steps it takes to lock down
[snip]
> So now that we have that out of the way, and I hope the people
> that dominate this mailing list
On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 19:02:54 +0100
Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 02/01/2016 18:39, Steve Litt a écrit :
> > In other words, I don't think this stuff has to be compiled into
> > the kernel monolithically: It just has to be in the right
> > directories on the root partition.
>
> Either a driver is
On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 09:09:28 +
KatolaZ wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 02, 2016 at 01:11:07PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Sat, 2 Jan 2016 09:08:37 +
> > KatolaZ wrote:
> >
> >
> > > If your root fs does not change every five minutes, you can have a
> > > custom kernel with ext4 and a few oth
Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 09:09:28 +
> KatolaZ wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Jan 02, 2016 at 01:11:07PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2 Jan 2016 09:08:37 +
> > > KatolaZ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > If your root fs does not change every five minutes, you can have a
> > > >
On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 21:27:58 -1000
Joel Roth wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>
> I would like to see Devuan as a source for innovation in the
> community in future and I think it's a great idea to offer a
> simpler kernel and boot process. It could be accomplished
> with a modest effort, and would simplify
Steve Litt wrote:
>> Therefore, if you want to mount a disk partition, you either
>> need the necessary drivers and filesystem built-in the kernel or have
>> them in the initrd/initramfs (under /lib/modules). Having the module
>> on the disk won't help -- egg and chicken.
>>
>> Didier
>
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