KatolaZ wrote:
> Just please try to
> avoid falling in the same "everybody needs to boot-up in 12 seconds
> because high availability requires so" rhetoric championed by
> systemd-fanboys.
More to the point, I'd rather have reliability over speed any day. If the
system boots reliably in 2 minut
On Fri, 25 Sep 2015, Simon Hobson wrote:
> KatolaZ wrote:
>
> > Just please try to avoid falling in the same "everybody needs to
> > boot-up in 12 seconds because high availability requires so"
> > rhetoric championed by systemd-fanboys.
>
> More to the point, I'd rather have reliability over s
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 08:05:42AM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote:
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>
> But, if you are going to boot slowly and methodically, it helps if there's
> signs of progress. There's nothing that gets people impatient better than
> something that appears to be taking a long time "doing nothing" !
>
Le 24/09/2015 19:54, KatolaZ a écrit :
But let's be honest here: how many times does it happen that you have
to reboot a production server nowadays? It is quite rare that a
failing program actually needs a reboot, right? And even when it
happens, 1 minute or 5 minutes boot won't change your overa
Hi Hleb, you are right !!
El 25/09/15 a las 08:44, aitor_czr escribió:
Hi Hleb,
Those lines are located in debian/control. So..., an APT repository
pointing to itself?
Here you are an example random search in git:
https://github.com/andrenth/postfix-erlang/blob/master/debian/control
Aitor.
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 11:06:50AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 24/09/2015 19:54, KatolaZ a écrit :
> >But let's be honest here: how many times does it happen that you have
> >to reboot a production server nowadays? It is quite rare that a
> >failing program actually needs a reboot, right? And ev
Hi again Hleb, the link in my example points to a *Git* repository *of a
debian package*. I didn't understand you, sorry.
The Development Team of BulmaGes has been using those lines:
|Homepage: http://bulmages.net
XS-Vcs-Git: git://gitorious.org/bulmages/bulmages.git
XS-Vcs-Browser: https://git
On 9/25/15, aitor_czr wrote:
> Those lines are located in debian/control. So..., an APT repository
> pointing to itself?
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianPackageInformation
QUESTION: is that (Vcs-*) an upstream source or a debian source?
ANSWER: It's the debian source. There is a difference becau
Another clarification about XS-Vcs headers: as of dpkg 1.14.6, the Xs-
prefix is no longer necessary. See this link:
https://lintian.debian.org/tags/xs-vcs-header-in-debian-control.html
Aitor.
El 25/09/15 a las 11:35, aitor_czr escribió:
Hi again Hleb, the link in my example points to a *Git*
On 9/25/15, aitor_czr wrote:
> The Development Team of BulmaGes has been using those lines:
>
> |Homepage: http://bulmages.net
> XS-Vcs-Git: git://gitorious.org/bulmages/bulmages.git
> XS-Vcs-Browser: https://gitorious.org/bulmages/bulmages/trees/.
>
> during years in debian/control. Gitorious
KatolaZ wrote:
> Agree! That's why I would warmly suggest mobile devices producers to
> include a pluggable nixie-tubes display like this:
>
> http://ad7zj.net/kd7lmo/images/ground_nixie_front.jpg
Metaphorical "hands up" - how many of us went "gosh, how long is it since I saw
one of those in t
When i built those packages, Gitorious had already announced the end.
But there wasn't a consensus on which use in the future: BitBucket,
GitLab, GitHub...?
I porposed trying with Savannah, but there was no time...
Thank you again for your clarifications.
Aitor.
El 25/09/15 a las 12:19, Hleb
I will send again this post rectifying the content in the Digest:
El 23/08/15 a las 17:19, Steve Litt escribió:
I make mistakes, that's why my pencil has an eraser.
Well..., when i built those packages, Gitorious had already announced
the end. But there wasn't a consensus on which use in the
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Hello,
I have been following the devuan mailing list during the last couple
of weeks, and I would like to present myself, I come from a human
science and media arts background always involved in F/Loss
communities, where I search for new forms of cre
Le 25/09/2015 11:27, KatolaZ a écrit :
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 11:06:50AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
Le 24/09/2015 19:54, KatolaZ a écrit :
But let's be honest here: how many times does it happen that you have
to reboot a production server nowadays? It is quite rare that a
failing program actual
Maybe we could make a meta Roadmap/Priority project.
This project would use Milestones to track releases and
their issues.
This could be a central place to determine the highest
priority work.
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On 25/09/2015 09:05, Simon Hobson wrote:
More to the point, I'd rather have reliability over speed any day.
How about you get both?
The dichotomy is a false one. People believe they can't have both
because init systems have never been done right so far, and always
forced them to choose betwee
On 25/09/2015 09:26, Jaromil wrote:
What I'm particularly interested is something to do process monitoring
and respawning for a certain group of daemons
Just supervise the daemons you want to supervise, and don't
supervise the ones you don't want to. But really, there's no
reason *not* to supe
Isaac Dunham writes:
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 02:31:40PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
>> Laurent Bercot writes:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> > It manages dependencies between services, no matter whether they are
>> > oneshots or longruns; it can intertwine oneshot starts and longrun
>> > starts, or ones
On 25/09/2015 11:27, KatolaZ wrote:
I actually had the impression that servers was what Laurent was
referring to... :)
Was I? It's possible.
I usually refer to servers because it's the environment I'm used
to; but what I'm saying about boot times, parallelism and so on
is also true for client
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 03:40:35PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
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>
> But, as you or Jaromil said, and we all agree on this, the
> important thing is that Devuan provide this new high quality
> software, so that admins have more freedom. Important also is the
> fact that fast and dependency
On 9/21/15, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> Since netman is effectively ready, and I can still offer my coding
> services to the Devuan project, I would like to ask what task should I
> take as my second attempt at helping with the project?
If your possible next project will look like netman then please
Jaromil writes:
> On Fri, 25 Sep 2015, Simon Hobson wrote:
[...]
> What I'm particularly interested is something to do process monitoring
> and respawning for a certain group of daemons - bundle in s6-rc? however
> not necessarily mixed with the system-wide base daemons. For instance
> in Dowse
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 07:01:16AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 09:28:28PM +0200, Jaromil wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
> > >
> > > But let's be honest here: how many times does it happen that you have
> > > to reboot a production server nowadays?
> >
> > I think you are overlooking the
Laurent Bercot wrote:
> On 25/09/2015 09:05, Simon Hobson wrote:
>> More to the point, I'd rather have reliability over speed any day.
>
> How about you get both?
Well yes, that's better still.
> The dichotomy is a false one. People believe they can't have both
> because init systems have neve
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 03:59:19PM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote:
> On 25/09/2015 09:05, Simon Hobson wrote:
>
>
> >There's nothing that gets people impatient
> >better than something that appears to be taking a long time "doing
> >nothing" !
>
> Show them a terminal with a lot of scrolling gibbe
On 25/09/2015 17:29, Simon Hobson wrote:
Windows and MacOS both prioritise those tasks needed to get a desktop
picture (or login prompt) on the screen - as that gives the illusion
of fast boot time.
Oh, yes, definitely. (My client machine runs Windows, and I experience
that every day.)
It doe
All projects are instructive.
This is a little instructive project.
My2Cents.
Aitor.
El 25/09/15 a las 18:51, Hleb Valoshka <375...@gmail.com> escribió:
On 9/21/15, Edward Bartolo wrote:
>Since netman is effectively ready, and I can still offer my coding
>services to the Devuan project, I w
Simon Hobson writes:
[...]
> Rainer Weikusat wrote:
>
>>> * anything that uses the syslog should start after the syslog.
>>
>> That's the same misunderstanding already shown elsewhere: Starting
>> syslog at time X and starting syslog-user at time Y, Y > X, Y - X being
>> 'very small', does not
Laurent Bercot writes:
> On 25/09/2015 17:29, Simon Hobson wrote:
[...]
>> Of course, regardless of what system or definitions you use - if a
>> service then dies then you have a problem. IMO, "it might die at some
>> indeterminate time" isn't an excuse for not trying to get the "start
>> stuff
On September 25, 2015 5:07:31 PM GMT+02:00, Hleb Valoshka <375...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>If your possible next project will look like netman then please do
>nothing. It's a lowest quality project I've ever seen. It looks really
>bad. You better read a good book about software architect.
I wish yo
On Fri, 9/25/15, Jaromil wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?
To: "dng"
Date: Friday, September 25, 2015, 5:12 PM
On September 25, 2015 5:07:31 PM GMT+02:00, Hleb Valoshka <375...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>> If your possible next project will look like netman then please do
>> n
On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 18:07:31 +0300
Hleb Valoshka <375...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/21/15, Edward Bartolo wrote:
>
> > Since netman is effectively ready, and I can still offer my coding
> > services to the Devuan project, I would like to ask what task
> > should I take as my second attempt at help
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 09:20:49PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> Here are the facts: While the rest of us, *especially* me, flapped our
> lips about a NetworkManager replacement, Edward actually did it.
It's worth adding I think that for those of you who have a low opinion of
Edward's attempt, there'
Dear All,
As many probably remember, when I asked to be allowed to create a
network manager, I made it clear that I have NO FORMAL TRAINING IN
PROGRAMMING. What I know, has been learnt by buying expensive books
from specialised booksellers and studying on my own.
Now regarding the bad marks I am
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