James Powell escribió:
[...]
Devuan should follow the Debian methodology, but equally it should
forge it's own path away from Debian. It doesn't need to draw from
any other distribution like Funtoo, CRUX, Slackware, or anything
other distributions, other than seeing what people are using a
Riccardo,
Yes, i have enabled debian security updates. I downloaded the sources of
cups and changed:
libcups2 (= ${binary:Version})
by:
libcups2 (= ${source:Version})
in debian/control.
Thanks,
Aitor.
El 13/08/15 a las 19:38, Riccardo Boninsegna escribió:
>
> Il 13/ago/2015 07:04 PM, "
I would help you mate but my install is a package
to be overlaid using aufs.
I have never used debian so would be a poor choice
in making a package for it.
I don't know how to turn off udev in debian.
I know Jude did some magic with that.
If you try to go at it manually I am willing
to offer he
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 05:13:46PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 15:16:21 -0400
> Haines Brown wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 01:57:58PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 13:01:14 -0400
> > > Haines Brown , "To:dng"@lists.dyne.org,
> > > "Cc:Bcc:"@tupac2.dy
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 11:54:48PM +0200, Riccardo Boninsegna wrote:
> Il 13/ago/2015 10:21 PM, "Haines Brown" ha scritto:
> > I guess I'll just try to reinstall. I initially tried to install
> > testing/ascii, but couldn't complete install software. So I retreated to
> > jessie, and had the same
Please, ignore this email. I successfully used the netboot iso to
install Devuan 64 bit.
My sincere thanks go to all those are giving their time for the project.
Thanks to all involved.
On 13/08/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> I am trying to figure out how I should go to install Devuan without
>
Le 14/08/2015 10:16, Noel Torres a écrit :
Everyone that has anytime been trapped in the Dependency Hell knows
about the complicated chains of dependencies in Debian. As a simple
example, today it is impossible to install LibreOffice 5 and KDE
together, since libreoffice 1:5.0.1~rc1-2 ends de
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 02:02:22PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Seems to me there's something weird, both, in libreoffice depending on
> just one single version of libstdc++, and in libklabxml being broken by this
> version of libstdc++, be it the fault of kde or libstdc++ developpers.
That's t
> It seems to me that it's good to have shim programs that satisfy
> dependencies of apps on systemd, each shim performing some systemd
> function. Here's why:
>
> Suppose there are 10,000 application programs (apps) for Linux,
> and their developers foolishly insert dependencies on systemd.
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 4:06 PM T.J. Duchene wrote:
>
> 1. You can't mark a package as "Do not install." APT simply does not give
> you the option.
>
> Heaven knows, there are a lot of people who dislike things like network-
> manager, and do not them to install for any reason.
>
> Someone migh
If anything, shims for systemd should be something that relies on
LD_PRELOAD to provide the wrappers, rather than making them broadly
available - so that it's possible to use it as a workaround, but without
deliberately doing so, the affected packages WILL break.
I fear however that we're going to
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 07:01:11 -0400
Haines Brown wrote:
> > Rereading your original post: Do you want to not have a Display
> > Manager such as lightdm, kdm, gdm etc, or do you want your computer
> > not to have X at all? If the latter, just deinstall X. If the
> > former, you need to find your d
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 13:59:32 +0100
Simon Hobson wrote:
> > If Devuan developers write 50 simple shims to fulfill those
> > dependencies, then Devuan users can run those 10,000 apps
> > as they are, directly from the Debian repos. And when the
> > apps are updated, they will still run.
>
> A
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 01:59:32PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote:
> As an example, I tried to upgrade one of my Wheezy systems to Jessie with
> *systemd* pinned as not installable. It took a bit of messing around figuring
> out what the broken dependencies were, and in the end I only had ONE single
Hi Stephanie! =)
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 13:44:42 +
Stephanie Daugherty wrote:
>
> I fear however that we're going to see packages with deeper and deeper
> entanglement with systemd, where it won't be a simple matter to patch
> the software to work correctly. Gnome already seems to be moving
Simon Hobson writes:
[...]
> As an example, I tried to upgrade one of my Wheezy systems to Jessie
> with *systemd* pinned as not installable. It took a bit of messing
> around figuring out what the broken dependencies were, and in the end
> I only had ONE single package that I needed and which w
Steve Litt writes:
> On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 13:59:32 +0100
> Simon Hobson wrote:
[...]
> Bottom line: The perfect is the enemy of the good. To the extent that
> shims can defuse silly, reasonless dependencies, in situations where a
> revised makefile and maybe tiny changes to the C can't do it, sh
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 09:06:08PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> Simon Hobson writes:
>
> [...]
>
> > As an example, I tried to upgrade one of my Wheezy systems to Jessie
> > with *systemd* pinned as not installable. It took a bit of messing
> > around figuring out what the broken dependencies
Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> ClamAV claims to support FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Solaris, OpenVMS,
> Slackware and Windows, all of which certainly don't have systemd. I've
> just cloned the current development repository and build it on Wheezy
> using a plain
>
> ./configure
> make
>
> which worked
On Fri, 8/14/15, T.J. Duchene wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Friday, August 14, 2015, 2:47 PM
> I know not everyone here agrees with me, especially Steve, and that's
> perfectly okay. I have no problem with that at all. I just don't see
> "System 5 pure
Hi all,
I'm uploading a live image of gnuinos in amd64 architecture (and shortly
in i386) without desktop environment, taking Devuan Alpha2 as a base
(~390 MB). Network connection and quick installation. Download zone:
http://mirrors.gnuinos.org/?dir=DEVUAN-BASED%20IMAGES
The web site is not upd
I installed from alpha2, and it mostly worked.
Devuan boots up properly, and runs. I'm currently ssh-ed in to another
machine where I have my email, accessible via mutt.
There were a few glitches:
(1) it still offered to install the system on my installer USB stick.
I wasn't stupid enough to fa
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 20:03:49 +0200
Teodoro Santoni wrote:
> It's true, that's a waste, although very small, to add an if
> structure. Remains a weak argument: not being clamav a Go project, it
> has for sure a badly optimized, on the buiding side, codebase, so a
> config macro and an #ifdef SYST
Slackware is maintained by 3 core people with extra help as needed. The rest of
the packages are pushed by the community at large contributing. Devuan doesn't
have to maintain every package possible. That's ludicrous to think so.
Debian got in over its head by allowing this. Thousands upon thous
I tried plugging a external hard drive into my newly installed Devuan
system, and immediately ran into a problem: It seems the volume group
name used on that drive is the same as the one on my devuan system.
Not that surprising; thee external drive contains the Debian system I'm
migrating awa
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 14:49:17 -0700
Go Linux wrote:
> On Fri, 8/14/15, T.J. Duchene wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims
> To: dng@lists.dyne.org
> Date: Friday, August 14, 2015, 2:47 PM
>
> > I know not everyone here agrees with me, especially Steve, and
> > that's perfectly okay.
On 15/08/15 12:05, Hendrik Boom wrote:
I installed from alpha2, and it mostly worked.
Devuan boots up properly, and runs. I'm currently ssh-ed in to another
machine where I have my email, accessible via mutt.
Thanks for the report. Was it a standard install or expert-mode and was
it Jessie,
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 05:19:25PM -0700, James Powell wrote:
> Slackware is maintained by 3 core people with extra help as needed. The rest
> of the packages are pushed by the community at large contributing. Devuan
> doesn't have to maintain every package possible. That's ludicrous to think so.
I respectfully disagree.
A single package would require a new build script, but equally it will pay for
itself in the long run by reducing the overall workload to maintain each
package.
The short term, yes its work. It will be. But why not have one single
SDL2-2.0.0-x86_64-1.deb package that i
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 12:28:39PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> On 15/08/15 12:05, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >I installed from alpha2, and it mostly worked.
> >Devuan boots up properly, and runs. I'm currently ssh-ed in to another
> >machine where I have my email, accessible via mutt.
>
> Thanks fo
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 12:41:06PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> On 15/08/15 12:24, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >I tried plugging a external hard drive into my newly installed Devuan
> >system, and immediately ran into a problem: It seems the volume group
> >name used on that drive is the same as the
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 01:22:42PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> On 15/08/15 13:13, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 12:41:06PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> >>On 15/08/15 12:24, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >>>I tried plugging a external hard drive into my newly installed Devuan
> >>>syst
On 15/08/15 14:11, Hendrik Boom wrote:
Easy enough to edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg.
Or do I really have to edit other files that this is made from? I
remember there was some complication there with Debian's grub2.
/etc/default/grub is the file you need to edit followed by running
'update-grub'
-
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 10:11:46PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 01:22:42PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> > On 15/08/15 13:13, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > >On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 12:41:06PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> > >>On 15/08/15 12:24, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > >>>I tried
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 02:15:35PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> On 15/08/15 14:11, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >Easy enough to edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg.
> >Or do I really have to edit other files that this is made from? I
> >remember there was some complication there with Debian's grub2.
> >
> /etc/de
If you just need to transfer the data to the new installation, attach the
external drive to a different machine and rsync it. Boot with live media
if you have the same problem on the other machine.
fsr
On 08/14/2015 09:13 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 12:41:06PM +1200, Daniel
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 10:21:33PM -0400, fsmithred wrote:
> If you just need to transfer the data to the new installation, attach the
> external drive to a different machine and rsync it. Boot with live media
> if you have the same problem on the other machine.
>
> fsr
I thonk I might have been
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 03:21:47PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> On 15/08/15 14:47, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> >>
> >>Don't forget to do `update-initramfs -u -k all` and `update-grub` to
> >>rebuild the
> >
> >Ouch. update-initramfs crapped out:
> >
> >oot@notlookedfor:~# update-initramfs -u -k all
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 20:26:58 -0400
Steve Litt wrote:
>
> Oh, you wouldn't want to do that. Contrary to what I wrote in another
> thread about "the perfect is the enemy of the good", if *I* were in
> charge of decontamination, I'd throw out whole subsystems.
LOL! =)
One thing I say with the
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 07:01:11AM -0400, Haines Brown wrote:
> The aim is to boot to a console prompt, log in as root, install xorg and
> fluxbox. That gives me X and a window manager but no desktop
> environment. At present I get a log in prompt and can log in as user in
> console, but for some r
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 02:42:14PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 02:02:22PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
> > Seems to me there's something weird, both, in libreoffice depending on
> > just one single version of libstdc++, and in libklabxml being broken by this
> > version o
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 22:38:35 -0700
Isaac Dunham wrote:
>
> To elaborate on this, GCC 5.1 (I think) has changed the ABI for C++11
> support.
> Packages using C++11 need to be rebuilt with the new library;
> libreoffice has already been rebuilt, but not KDE.
That's a very good point, Isaac. C++
Hi again,
Grub-install failed in gnuinos server (Alpha2). Apparently libfuse2 and
os-prober are not included in it. I will solve this issue during the day.
Thanks,
Aitor.
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 23:52:56 +0200 aitor_czr wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm uploading a live image of gnuinos in amd64 architect
Le 15/08/2015 02:26, Steve Litt a écrit :
On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 14:49:17 -0700
Go Linux wrote:
On Fri, 8/14/15, T.J. Duchene wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Friday, August 14, 2015, 2:47 PM
I know not everyone here agrees with me, especially Steve
Hi,
I built the minimal chroot jailgenerated by live-build in devuan, and
the hostname is set to none:
$ hostname
(none)
There aren't underscores in the /etc/hostname file, and the /etc/hosts
is also correct.It happened to me the same some other time starting with
sysvinit, but not with systemd.
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