Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?

On 7/23/2015 12:01 AM, miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr wrote: Because, prove me wrong. Miro, I truly wish you well, but feel no need to prove anything to you. :-) Often the surveillors most used tools, since otherwise they wouldn't be able to follow their targets, is exactly multiseats. They

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

Le 22/07/2015 20:51, Steve Litt a écrit : On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 20:03:03 +0200 miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr wrote: On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:50:44AM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote: If I was able to understand correctly, vdev works with dbus. Vdev does not use dbus. No idea how or why you came to

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

On 7/23/2015 12:49 AM, James Powell wrote: First off cool your jets, and trying call me out on knowing the internals of an IPC in Userspace I didn't develop is very childish. I honestly don't care if D-Bus what it does other than be a communication and messaging relay between applications an

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

> > Like you I would like to get rid of Dbus. This was invented to replace > the > own equivalents of Gnome and KDE, and I need neither Gnome nor KDE. But > Dbus seems to have infected every other DE. At least Xfce4. > > Didier > I do not understand this animosity toward D-BUS. Could

Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?

Is it because you send from (pasting from your header): Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 or is it for some other reason (or for both or/and other reasons yet), who can tell? But... > > > On 7/23/2015 12:01 AM, miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr w

Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:54:06AM +0200, miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr wrote: > Is it because you send from (pasting from your header): > > Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 > Thunderbird/38.1.0 > > or is it for some other reason (or for both or/and other reasons

Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?

> Guys, I have serious problems understanding what is the point of this thread, > really. And lenghty emails with many interleaving, fragmented discussions > and cross-quoting from several different sources are far from helpful. Hi KatolaZ! I assure you it was never my intention to offend anyone,

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

On 23/07/2015 10:36, T.J. Duchene wrote: I do not understand this animosity toward D-BUS. Could you please explain why it is such a point of contention? It is a only a protocol, with many different implementations. It is comfortably very generic and used on other UNIXs. Simple: it has a ho

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

On 7/23/2015 5:16 AM, Laurent Bercot wrote: I agree that it's a fight for another time, though. TY! The information was very simple and very helpful. It's a design flaw that annoys everyone so. This is quite understandable. It has been my experience that a lot of code - FOSS or not - i

Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 05:05:52AM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: > > Guys, I have serious problems understanding what is the point of this > > thread, > > really. And lenghty emails with many interleaving, fragmented discussions > > and cross-quoting from several different sources are far from helpfu

Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?

Good morning, On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:39:23PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: >[snip] >Multi-seat logins are very useful in situations where users do not understand >how to run X11 applications with different user permissions. It is an easy >mechanism that is familiar to users from other systems

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

Le 23/07/2015 10:36, T.J. Duchene a écrit : Like you I would like to get rid of Dbus. This was invented to replace the own equivalents of Gnome and KDE, and I need neither Gnome nor KDE. But Dbus seems to have infected every other DE. At least Xfce4. Didier I do not understand this

Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 03:49:32AM +0300, Vlad wrote: > I think that the pretty useless feature which helped systemd into Debian in > the > first place was discussed some time ago. Better footprint, less power consumption. I rutinelly do two and three seat ws without any expensive usb hub: a u

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 01:58:28PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 23/07/2015 10:36, T.J. Duchene a écrit : > >> Like you I would like to get rid of Dbus. This was invented to > >> replace the > >>own equivalents of Gnome and KDE, and I need neither Gnome nor KDE. But > >>Dbus seems to have in

Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?

Yeah, but that is why we have VNC for. As I said, multiseat is pretty much useless. Hell, the proprietary software can be installed on a server and run from anywhere. On Jul 23, 2015 6:32 AM, "Isaac Dunham" wrote: > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 03:49:32AM +0300, Vlad wrote: > > I think that the pretty

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

--- I sent this message four hours ago, but didn't include the list address. Sorry! --- On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:49:34PM -0700, James Powell wrote: ( shouldn't it be like below?, by the netiqette --see KalolaZ just arrived letter in the Multi-seat thread-- ? ) > > Since you would still like it

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

I do not understand this entire thread. I have not a clue what a MirDevuan "WTF" would be. What does the Mir" prefi contribute the the eaning? What does "WTF" mean in thei context. I mean what the fuck? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.or

[DNG] sans-dbus: was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 08:39:05 +0200 Michael Bütow wrote: > I am sure if someone wants to expend the energy to get rid of D-Bus > related software in Devuan, they can set up their own spin of it. For those of you who don't want dbus, my experience tells me that getting rid of it would involve som

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:06:29AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I do not understand this entire thread. > > I have not a clue what a MirDevuan "WTF" would be. > What does the Mir" prefix contribute the the meaning? > What does "WTF" mean in thei context. I mean what the fuck? > > -- hendrik (co

[DNG] Thorsten Glaser? was: Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 16:18:22 +0200 miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr wrote: > What fundamentalists? The Gentoo folks? Thorsten mirabilos Glaser with > his MirDebian "WTF" project, a fundamentalist? Me, a fundamentalist? What's the relationship between Thorsten Glaser, mirabilos, and miro.ro...@croati

Re: [DNG] sans-dbus: was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 08:39:05 +0200 > Michael Bütow wrote: > > > I am sure if someone wants to expend the energy to get rid of D-Bus > > related software in Devuan, they can set up their own spin of it. > > For those of you who don't want dbus, my experience tells me that > ge

Re: [DNG] sans-dbus: was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

Alsa uses dbus, since when? On Jul 23, 2015 7:12 PM, "Steve Litt" wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 08:39:05 +0200 > Michael Bütow wrote: > > > > I am sure if someone wants to expend the energy to get rid of D-Bus > > related software in Devuan, they can set up their own spin of it. > > For those of

Re: [DNG] systemd in the era of hotplugable devices

On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:00:48 +0200, Oz Tiram wrote: Please explain it to me with out flames. [1]: http://sysadmin.tme520.net/systemd-our-songs-of-innocence/ Cannot explain but I like this article very much. Especially this : "Now, for at least a couple of years, two versions of Linux wi

Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?

On 7/23/2015 5:37 AM, Teodoro Santoni wrote: Good morning, On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:39:23PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: [snip] Multi-seat logins are very useful in situations where users do not understand how to run X11 applications with different user permissions. It is an easy mechanism

Re: [DNG] Thorsten Glaser? was: Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:23:26PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 16:18:22 +0200 > miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr wrote: > > > > What fundamentalists? The Gentoo folks? Thorsten mirabilos Glaser with > > his MirDebian "WTF" project, a fundamentalist? Me, a fundamentalist? > > What'

Re: [DNG] sans-dbus: was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:12:36PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 08:39:05 +0200 > Michael Bütow wrote: > > > > I am sure if someone wants to expend the energy to get rid of D-Bus > > related software in Devuan, they can set up their own spin of it. > > For those of you who don'

Re: [DNG] systemd in the era of hotplugable devices

On 07/22/2015 10:41 PM, Laurent Bercot wrote: > OT: I would like it if the list host could set the "Mailing-List:" > header on list messages. Most MUAs understand it and implement a > "reply to list" feature; without it, we're stuck with manual > configuration > or hitting "reply to all", which ca

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

So exactly what do we use in place of D-Bus as a replacement Userspace IPC handler and protocol that is Generic to POSIX systems and UNIX? If we rip out D-Bus what do we use in it's place that is drop in compatible? You're talking about tearing apart a LOT of packages just to satisfy a grievanc

Re: [DNG] systemd in the era of hotplugable devices

On 23/07/2015 22:41, Peter Maloney wrote: What's wrong with these, which Thunderbird handles just fine? Ah, indeed it does, when the list address is in the To: It does not when the list address is in the Cc: So the solution is to make sure to always send To: the list. :) Thanks for the noti

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

Le 23/07/2015 22:44, James Powell a écrit : So exactly what do we use in place of D-Bus as a replacement Userspace IPC handler and protocol that is Generic to POSIX systems and UNIX? If we rip out D-Bus what do we use in it's place that is drop in compatible? You're talking about tearing

Re: [DNG] sans-dbus: was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

Le 23/07/2015 22:19, Isaac Dunham a écrit : On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:12:36PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > >For those of you who don't want dbus, my experience tells me that >getting rid of it would involve something like the following: > >* Use something like fvwm, Openbox or LXDE that makes mi

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

Good evening, On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 01:44:32PM -0700, James Powell wrote: > So exactly what do we use in place of D-Bus as a replacement Userspace IPC > handler and protocol that is Generic to POSIX systems and UNIX? > > If we rip out D-Bus what do we use in it's place that is drop in compatib

[DNG] The figure of commits behind the upstream on github

Hello everybody, I forked a project on github and added some commits on top of the ones on upstream repository. The figure of commits behind on github web interface is quite important for me as that indicates whether there are new commits on upstream that I need to merge or not. There are 33

Re: [DNG] sans-dbus: was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:49:11PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 23/07/2015 22:19, Isaac Dunham a écrit : > >On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:12:36PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > >>> > >>>For those of you who don't want dbus, my experience tells me that > >>>getting rid of it would involve something l

Re: [DNG] sans-dbus: was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 07:24:10 -1000 Joel Roth wrote: > Steve Litt wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 08:39:05 +0200 > > Michael Bütow wrote: > > > > > I am sure if someone wants to expend the energy to get rid of > > > D-Bus related software in Devuan, they can set up their own spin > > > of it. > >

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 13:44:32 -0700 James Powell wrote: > So exactly what do we use in place of D-Bus as a replacement > Userspace IPC handler and protocol that is Generic to POSIX systems > and UNIX? Nothing. I've never felt the functionality to be especially valuable. I guess I won't get inform

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

On Thu, 23 Jul 2015, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I do not understand this entire thread. > > I have not a clue what a MirDevuan "WTF" would be. > What does the Mir" prefi contribute the the eaning? > What does "WTF" mean in thei context. I mean what the fuck? yep. this is sort of going bonkers. me a

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 01:53:15AM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jul 2015, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > I do not understand this entire thread. > > > > I have not a clue what a MirDevuan "WTF" would be. > > What does the Mir" prefi contribute the the meaning? > > What does "WTF" mean in thei co

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:12:01AM +0200, Teodoro Santoni wrote: > > ... but, yeah, it's outside the scope of Devuan. D-Bus just sucks and is > documented on a random basis, when you compare it to the rest of GNU/Fedora > it's... like GTK: it sucks, there are alternatives but it's a PITA to port

Re: [DNG] GTK (was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?)

On Thursday, July 23, 2015 08:22:55 PM Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:12:01AM +0200, Teodoro Santoni wrote: > > ... but, yeah, it's outside the scope of Devuan. D-Bus just sucks and is > > documented on a random basis, when you compare it to the rest of > > GNU/Fedora > > it's...

Re: [DNG] GTK (was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?)

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:30 PM, T.J. Duchene wrote: > On Thursday, July 23, 2015 08:22:55 PM Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:12:01AM +0200, Teodoro Santoni wrote: > > > ... but, yeah, it's outside the scope of Devuan. D-Bus just sucks and > is > > > documented on a random bas

Re: [DNG] GTK (was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?)

On 7/23/2015 9:52 PM, Jude Nelson wrote: I don't care for it myself - because it is C++. Minor correction: GTK is written in C, and relies on GLib, which is also written C. However, it's open to debate as to how similar/different C-plus-GLib is to C++ in practice. Apologies fo

Re: [DNG] The figure of commits behind the upstream on github

Hi Anto, [snip] > does anybody have any suggestion how to easily find out that our fork > repositories need updating without keep checking the upstream repositories? > You're going to have to pull changes upstream periodically. That's just the way git is designed--if you're not hosting the repo

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 01:53:15AM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jul 2015, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > I do not understand this entire thread. > > > > I have not a clue what a MirDevuan "WTF" would be. > > What does the Mir" prefi contribute the the eaning? > > What does "WTF" mean in thei con

Re: [DNG] GTK (was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?)

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 09:30:04PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: > On Thursday, July 23, 2015 08:22:55 PM Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:12:01AM +0200, Teodoro Santoni wrote: > > > ... but, yeah, it's outside the scope of Devuan. D-Bus just sucks and is > > > documented on a random

Re: [DNG] GTK (was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?)

On 7/23/2015 10:41 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote: I'm inclined to agree with you on C++, but I'd like to refer you to Roger Leigh's comments on the subject about seven and a half months ago; I'm only appending the first couple screenfuls (which is maybe a third of the original) but you should be able

Re: [DNG] GTK (was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?)

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:14:21AM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: > > > On 7/23/2015 10:41 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote: > >I'm inclined to agree with you on C++, but I'd like to refer you to Roger > >Leigh's comments on the subject about seven and a half months ago; > >I'm only appending the first couple

Re: [DNG] sans-dbus: was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

Le 24/07/2015 00:37, Isaac Dunham a écrit : On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:49:11PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 23/07/2015 22:19, Isaac Dunham a écrit : On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:12:36PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: For those of you who don't want dbus, my experience tells me that getting rid of it

Re: [DNG] GTK (was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?)

Le 24/07/2015 04:52, Jude Nelson a écrit : On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:30 PM, T.J. Duchene > wrote: On Thursday, July 23, 2015 08:22:55 PM Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:12:01AM +0200, Teodoro Santoni wrote: > > ... but, yeah, it's out