So exactly what do we use in place of D-Bus as a replacement Userspace IPC handler and protocol that is Generic to POSIX systems and UNIX?
If we rip out D-Bus what do we use in it's place that is drop in compatible? You're talking about tearing apart a LOT of packages just to satisfy a grievance. This is outside the scope and mission statement of Devuan, and I'm sorry if you dislike D-Bus so much, but it is accepted and POSIX compliant software. It's not perfect, but are any protocols that allow interapplication and interprocess communication across a system and network going to be not be complex to work? Again, a witch hunt on software is not necessary, needed, or appropriate for Devuan. ________________________________ From: miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr<mailto:miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr> Sent: 7/23/2015 9:19 AM To: dng@lists.dyne.org<mailto:dng@lists.dyne.org> Subject: Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"? On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:06:29AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I do not understand this entire thread. > > I have not a clue what a MirDevuan "WTF" would be. > What does the Mir" prefix contribute the the meaning? > What does "WTF" mean in thei context. I mean what the fuck? > > -- hendrik (corrected typoes in your input, if that's not what you meant, cry foul!) Hi, hendrik! Yes, WTF probably means that (but they may have another excuse-name along). They were really outraged at the Debian Developers in charge for not allowing the name, wait, I got to search for it... (I'll search from the first message in this thread, the one with a host of links, by me)... Yes I think it's in the first. At first, one of the DD, Wookey, made: systemd-must-die find it in the: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=116770&start=15#p550700 (second page) I can remember and tell about it because I wrote to them: (same topic) http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=116770&start=30#p552484 (third page) but it was almost certainly censored out but the then provider of mine, You can find the link in that same "stealth install" topic to: Postfix smtp-tls-wrapper, Bkp/Cloning Mthd, a Zerk Provider https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-999436.html which if you open, you easily find: status=bounced (host 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] said: 550-"JunkMail rejected - 147-226.dsl.iskon.hr (n4m3.localdomain) 550-[89.164.147.226]:41972 is in an RBL, see 550 and you can, if you have time and are interested in fighting censorship, study around there, as well as (not confirmed, only suspected): https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20150722.180226.3ff750a1.en.html where find: 550 Unrouteable address (when I send email to Thorsten) and imagine what happened. Did mirabilos quit Debian? I don't know, but being that he provides packages for Debian, I don't think it's likely. So if you are interested about why they call it that, that's probably it. For more, one can read that resumé topic of mine, which although 12 forum pages, is much, much shorter than the very ample discussion on DD List. I wrote those forum pages of resumé for DD List discussions, after I read pretty much all of the then recent DD mail archive, So... The systemd-must-die was not allowed in the repository because of the name. Everything is being killed all the time in Unix, jobs and processes, but systemd was not allowed to die, by some moralist DD. To be honest, I'm not sure about the details of the prevent-systemd packages now. I would be if I were to install it, but I'm waiting for Devuan to get dbus-free, or allow dbus freedom in some way... Maybe mirabilos mada a package of his own, probably so, yeah, and didn't build on wookey's package... So I haven't (so far) made contact with Thorsten mirabilos Glaser, the founder of MirBSD, but should Devuan eventually fail to provide a no-dbus and no-poetterware desktop, I might have to, forced to search for options, also be learning more about it... Who knows. I won't be running a dbus- or a poetterware- nothing. But I hope you at Devuan will be working to get a distro that can be installed hardened, no-dbus, no-any-poetterware and associates, and maybe one of the ways might be forking the MirDebian WTF to MirDevuan WTF for Devuan needs... But I am really not a dev, and I really have spoken enough I believe. Unless someone has questions, or either T.J Duchene or James Powell decide to reply to my questions to them, or launch some counter questions, I'll be looking for my exit from contributing to this developers' list, and follow you silently. The links to MirBSD are, in the 1st page above mentioned, only, use the domain only: MirBSD https://www.mirbsd.org/ and it is called after his nickname, mirabilos, I believe. -- Miroslav Rovis Zagreb, Croatia http://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr
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