[DNG] Please stop posting random links to hacked web sites

Hi! Okay, I tried to do this off list, but I now found the second occurence of this already: Please do not about every hacked web site you read about. Especially not a link to it. I bet there are tons of web sites hacked each day even if you don´t hear about every single one. And whether this

[DNG] systemd in the era of hotplugable devices

One argument I hear often about systemd is that it more adapted to current hardware needs, [e.g. here][1] > Computers changed so much that they often doesn’t even look like > computers. And their operating systems are very busy : GPS, wireless > networks, USB peripherals that come and go, tons of

Re: [DNG] Please stop posting random links to hacked web sites

dear Martin, DNG is an open and public discussion place, not strictly bound to Devuan nor to Systemd: its the campfire after the exodus from Debian and it gathers people with different focus and interests. On Wed, 22 Jul 2015, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > You basically give them public advertise

Re: [DNG] Ashley Madison hack

On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 01:01:17 -0700 James Powell wrote: > It is to some extent, but remember, we now, on selected systems, have a > universal interface layer, so we don't know if it was Brute Force SSH, or > something else. > > Until the hackers say or reveal anything, we don't know, and that c

Re: [DNG] systemd in the era of hotplugable devices

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:00:48AM +0200, Oz Tiram wrote: > One argument I hear often about systemd is that it more adapted to current > hardware needs, [e.g. here][1] > > > Computers changed so much that they often doesn’t even look like > > computers. And their operating systems are very busy :

Re: [DNG] systemd in the era of hotplugable devices

On 22/07/2015 10:00, Oz Tiram wrote: One argument I hear often about systemd is that it more adapted to current hardware needs, [e.g. here][1] > Computers changed so much that they often doesn’t even look like > computers. And their operating systems are very busy : GPS, wireless > networks

[DNG] dev-one.org aka making it easier for english speakers

re all, we have setup a new alias for the official devuan.org domain name, to make it easier for english speakers when they want to communicate this project: dev-one.org our project's official name and branding stays as Devuan (which is now also a registered trademark, just to make sure it is wh

Re: [DNG] systemd in the era of hotplugable devices

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:59:56PM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote: > On 22/07/2015 10:00, Oz Tiram wrote: > >One argument I hear often about systemd is that it more adapted to current > >hardware needs, [e.g. here][1] > > > > > Computers changed so much that they often doesn’t even look like > > > c

[DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

Hi, Devuaners! I wrote to this list before, a couple of times. As miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr and miroslav.rov...@zg.ht.hr. I'll start from here: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=116770&start=45#p552566 ( the encrypted channel not set u

Re: [DNG] systemd in the era of hotplugable devices

On 22/07/2015 16:24, Isaac Dunham wrote: In general, I'd agree with you, but there are some situations where it's possible to argue for hotplugger/service manager integration: if you hotplug a scanner or printer, there's reason to think that the corresponding daemon (sane/cups/lprng/lpr) shou

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

> > > If I was able to understand correctly, vdev works with dbus. Vdev does not use dbus. No idea how or why you came to this conclusion. Search the code if you don't believe me. -Jude ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne

Re: [DNG] systemd in the era of hotplugable devices

Hi, Oz Tiram wrote on 22/07/2015 at 10:00 CEST: One argument I hear often about systemd is that it more adapted to current hardware needs, [e.g. here][1] Computers changed so much that they often doesn’t even look >> like computers. And their operating systems are very busy : >> GPS, wireless

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:50:44AM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote: > > > > > > If I was able to understand correctly, vdev works with dbus. > > > Vdev does not use dbus. No idea how or why you came to this conclusion. > Search the code if you don't believe me. > > -Jude I believe you. You never appea

Re: [DNG] systemd in the era of hotplugable devices

On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 16:57:55 +0200 Laurent Bercot wrote: > On 22/07/2015 16:24, Isaac Dunham wrote: > > In general, I'd agree with you, but there are some situations where > > it's possible to argue for hotplugger/service manager integration: > > if you hotplug a scanner or printer, there's rea

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 20:03:03 +0200 miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr wrote: > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:50:44AM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > > > If I was able to understand correctly, vdev works with dbus. > > > > > > Vdev does not use dbus. No idea how or why you came to this > > conclu

Re: [DNG] Ashley Madison hack

You're forgetting SQL injection and XSS, to name a few. Wireshark in a cybercafé pops into mind too plus a gazillion of windows vulnerabilities. I'm placing no bets on Whether-or-not-it-was-systemd and find that discussion moot unless there's any solid details on the hack. Does Devuan keep up to

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 02:51:59PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 20:03:03 +0200 > miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:50:44AM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If I was able to understand correctly, vdev works with dbus. > > > > >

Re: [DNG] Jeep Cherokee hacked

> They are achieving it via an on-line firmware update and downloading a > completely new firmware to the entertainment unit. OS is irrelevant. [T.J. Duchene] I mean no offense, but that statement should really be qualified. Actually the OS is not irrelevant, depending on the configuration of

Re: [DNG] systemd in the era of hotplugable devices

Am Mittwoch, 22. Juli 2015 schrieb Steve Litt: > Pre-cisely! I don't have Lennart Poettering's coding skills or system > wisdom, nor do I have the budget by which his team operates, but even I > was able to put together the most challenging part of hotplugging, > using inotifywait: > > http://www

Re: [DNG] Interesting comment from a kernel developer

From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Konzack Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 11:55 PM To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [DNG] Interesting comment from a kernel developer Hello *, 2015-07-22 3:07 GMT+02:00 Go Linux : What is this about 'baroque init scripts' and want

Re: [DNG] Interesting comment from a kernel developer

No, I have made the distupgrade release by release and checked, whether anything was working. And yes, from Etch to Lenny, Squeeze and Wheeze it was working. And then the nightmare came over me! Currently I install a Wheeze Workstation + Server around 3 GByte of installation will back it up and

Re: [DNG] systemd in the era of hotplugable devices

> In general, I'd agree with you, but there are some situations where it's > possible to argue for hotplugger/service manager integration: > if you hotplug a scanner or printer, there's reason to think that the > corresponding daemon (sane/cups/lprng/lpr) should start. > Note that I did not say th

Re: [DNG] Interesting comment from a kernel developer

From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Konzack Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 3:17 PM Cc: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [DNG] Interesting comment from a kernel developer No, I have made the distupgrade release by release and checked, whether anything was working.

Re: [DNG] systemd in the era of hotplugable devices

On 22/07/2015 22:20, T.J. Duchene wrote: That said, the reality of the situation is quite different than it is in theory. As the old saying goes in the American Midwest: "The proof is in the pudding." Until someone provides a systemd alternative that works better than systemd, yet provides conv

Re: [DNG] Interesting comment from a kernel developer

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 03:03:55PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: > Yes, Debian has adopted systemd. As a quick fix, you can stick with > Wheezy; or you can install Jessie and then install systemd-shim and > sysvinit. After you install systemd-shim and sysvinit, Jessie should work > more or less as e

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

D-Bus isn't great, but currently it is still a cross-UNIX IPC in userspace. BSD uses it, Illumos uses it, and so does GNU/Linux. D-Bus is way down my list of software to steer clear of any more. From: miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr

Re: [DNG] Ashley Madison hack

The problem with some of these known attacks are the effectiveness of each. Example: Last night I was thinking about how it could have happened, but actually during a system evaluation I did in my head, I actually hit a large wall. Shadow can use cryptographic algorithms of at least 512-bit key

[DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?

I think that the pretty useless feature which helped systemd into Debian in the first place was discussed some time ago. As you might know multi seat is supposed to make possible for multiple users to utilize a single desktop or laptop system in full blown GUI mode via special USB hubs, the ma

Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?

There is ConsoleKit2... From: Vlad Sent: ‎7/‎22/‎2015 5:49 PM To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity? I think that the pretty useless feature which

Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 03:49:32AM +0300, Vlad wrote: > I think that the pretty useless feature which helped systemd into Debian in > the first place was discussed some time ago. > As you might know multi seat is supposed to make possible for multiple users > to utilize a single desktop or lapto

Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 03:49:32AM +0300, Vlad wrote: However these extension hubs actually cost more than a Raspberry Pi, and the Pi has the extra selling point that the student can take it home and use it there. I do not see any real need for silly things like multi seat and with every

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 03:28:28PM -0700, James Powell wrote: > D-Bus isn't great, but currently it is still a cross-UNIX IPC in > userspace. BSD uses it, Illumos uses it, and so does GNU/Linux. > Since you would still like it around, in opportunistic or in some other way that I should call it, I t

Re: [DNG] Multi-seat on Devuan, do we actually need that useless curiosity?

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:39:23PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: > >On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 03:49:32AM +0300, Vlad wrote: > Multi-seat logins are very useful in situations where users do not > understand how to run X11 applications with different user > permissions. I guess so. > It is an easy mechani

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

First off cool your jets, and trying call me out on knowing the internals of an IPC in Userspace I didn't develop is very childish. I honestly don't care if D-Bus what it does other than be a communication and messaging relay between applications and processes, as long as it does what it does,

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23/07/15 07:49, James Powell wrote: > Devuan's main purpose is getting rid of systemd as a hard dependency and > allowing user choice in init software Well said, thank you, I very much agree with your entire post and would prefer if there was le