Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-03 Thread Ста Деюс
В Thu, 2 Jul 2015 11:47:55 +0100 Klaus Ethgen пишет: > What will be the alternatives? ALSA never worked for me to a usefull > state. It has partly translated config files but not in the parser, > has always cracking sound and kernel panics. It lags the ability to > play multiple streams and more.

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-03 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Robert. Спасибо за ответ, Fri, 3 Jul 2015 09:24:52 +0800, вы писали: > I too am a fan of fvwm and LXDE. But another I recommend is IceWM. > Only weakness is (like fvwm) it doesn't by default automount plugin > USB devices. If that could be tweaked, IceWM would be my preferr

Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-03 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Gregory. Спасибо за ответ, Thu, 2 Jul 2015 13:21:15 -0700, вы писали: > There is more where that came from. The only reason I tolerate it is > because removing pulseaudio also removes gnome-core among others. I'm > all for choice, and believe that those who want pulse in de

Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-03 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Do den 2. Jul 2015 um 18:40 schrieb Joel Roth: > > For example the localizing problem. I use tu have a locale that has the > > "," as decimal divider. Now, I have to write floating point values in > > .asound with a "," instead of a "." to get pa

Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-03 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Fr den 3. Jul 2015 um 8:52 schrieb ?? : > I would give you an advice then: stand far from such overhelming > projects as «KDE» and «GNOME» are -- pick out of a bunch of > applications your own desktop. I am not Gregory, but This two

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-03 Thread Eugene Bolshakoff
Hello Steve, On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 11:52:44AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 11:08:26 + > Eugene Bolshakoff wrote: > > > > Hello Mitt, > > > > Thanks for this picture. So much xfce4 dependences... probably I > > should switch from xfce4 to any other VM/DE (fvwm, probably).

[DNG] "Bad" future is coming

2015-07-03 Thread Eugene Bolshakoff
Hello All, This is something like "philosophical" post about our future in poettering universe. Working as system administrator, I am thinking about it, because of more and more Linux distributives switching to should-not-be-named daemon. And, of course, servers will be updated in few years, and

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-03 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 02:18:17PM +0630, Ста Деюс wrote: > Доброго времени суток, Robert. > > > Спасибо за ответ, Fri, 3 Jul 2015 09:24:52 +0800, вы писали: > > I too am a fan of fvwm and LXDE. But another I recommend is IceWM. > > Only weakness is (like fvwm) it doesn't by default automount plu

Re: [DNG] "Bad" future is coming

2015-07-03 Thread Franco Lanza
On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 11:35:07AM +, Eugene Bolshakoff wrote: > And, of course, servers will be updated in few years, and it becames > impossible to avoid using poettering things in everyday work. I can > avoid it on my own workstations and servers, but I will be forced to use > binary logging

Re: [DNG] "Bad" future is coming

2015-07-03 Thread Laurent Bercot
On 03/07/2015 14:39, Franco Lanza wrote: SystemdOS will be just another bad thing that many people will have to use for a period of time, and, just like today microsoft is a little bit less invasive than some years ago and it's doing a little bit better with latest windows version, in some years

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-03 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 3 Jul 2015 09:24:52 +0800 Robert Storey wrote: > Hi All, > > Steve Litt said... > > > Like I said, fvwm is excellent. LXDE and Openbox are two others to > > look at, and as far as I know they have few if any systemd > > dependencies, direct or otherwise. > > I too am a fan of fvwm and

Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-03 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 3 Jul 2015 10:13:27 +0100 Klaus Ethgen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Am Fr den 3. Jul 2015 um 8:52 schrieb ?? : > > I would give you an advice then: stand far from such overhelming > > projects as «KDE» and «GNOME» are -- pick out of a bunch

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-03 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 3 Jul 2015 11:17:52 + Eugene Bolshakoff wrote: > > Fvwm's good. Resource light, very configurable. That being said, you > > must be *very* knowledgeable to get fvwm to work in a way that's > > conducive to your workstyle, especially if you have poor visual > > acuity like I do. > >

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-03 Thread Fernando M. Maresca
On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 02:18:17PM +0630, Ста Деюс wrote: > > Do you of any *DE (except GDM, KDM) that supports multisessions -- i.e. > makes it possible to login through it while another session is running? > Simple enough is lightdm and you can make multiseat with several monitors/keyboards/mic

Re: [DNG] "Bad" future is coming

2015-07-03 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 3 Jul 2015 11:35:07 + Eugene Bolshakoff wrote: > Hello All, > > This is something like "philosophical" post about our future in > poettering universe. > > Working as system administrator, I am thinking about it, because of > more and more Linux distributives switching to should-not-

[DNG] procps

2015-07-03 Thread Mitt
Hi everyone, I'm using unstable (Ceres), for quite some time now libprocps4 and thus procps depend on libsystemd0. On stable (Jessie) there is libprocps3 which does not depend on it. Mitt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.

Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-03 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 02:22:07PM +0630, Ста Деюс wrote: > I would give you an advice then: stand far from such overhelming > projects as «KDE» and «GNOME» are -- pick out of a bunch of > applications your own desktop. Believe me, I would if I could. However, unless I'm missing something, this is

Re: [DNG] Linus answers a question about systemd

2015-07-03 Thread T.J. Duchene
>I think Linus is right when it comes to systemd as an init, but really >that is not the problem. >The real problem is that systemd is not just an init, it is or is >rapidly becoming, a locked in operating system frame work, looking for a >friendly kernel and a desktop environment. >People

[DNG] OT: Terminal application for multitrack audio (was Re: Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2))

2015-07-03 Thread Joel Roth
Gregory Nowak wrote: > I'd love to do everything in the text console, but some things are > lacking there, such as a useable modern web browser for example. I went over > to the GUI on GNU/linux a number of years ago in the hopes of being to > dump M$ windows, but that's not possible yet, even thou

Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-03 Thread Joel Roth
Klaus Ethgen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Am Do den 2. Jul 2015 um 18:40 schrieb Joel Roth: > > > For example the localizing problem. I use tu have a locale that has the > > > "," as decimal divider. Now, I have to write floating point values in > > > .asound wit

Re: [DNG] Linus answers a question about systemd

2015-07-03 Thread Teodoro Santoni
On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 06:31:44AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > This means that if he will be sooner or later convinced that kdbus is > a good piece of technology to have in the kernel, for one reason or > another, he will merge it overnight, irrespective of the real or > perceived madness and stubborne

Re: [DNG] "Bad" future is coming

2015-07-03 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 07/03/2015 07:35 AM, Eugene Bolshakoff wrote: Hello All, This is something like "philosophical" post about our future in poettering universe. Working as system administrator, I am thinking about it, because of more and more Linux distributives switching to should-not-be-named daemon. And, o

Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-03 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 07/03/2015 03:43 AM, Ста Деюс wrote: В Thu, 2 Jul 2015 11:47:55 +0100 Klaus Ethgen пишет: What will be the alternatives? ALSA never worked for me to a usefull state. It has partly translated config files but not in the parser, has always cracking sound and kernel panics. It lags the ability

[DNG] Devuan EFI installer image

2015-07-03 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
I've successfully made an installer image, practically usable through non-optical drives only, for amd64-compatible (U)EFI computers! Download: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1OGj4xwAe9_YjBBeF84NTk4Wms/view?usp=sharing Installation: decompress then dd, or maybe `zcat [...].img.gz > /dev/sdb`

Re: [DNG] Devuan EFI installer image

2015-07-03 Thread Daniel Reurich
On 04/07/15 11:06, Riccardo Boninsegna wrote: I've successfully made an installer image, practically usable through non-optical drives only, for amd64-compatible (U)EFI computers! Hi Riccardo, What's the problem with UEFI computers booting? I'd be keen to fix the installer or related packag

Re: [DNG] Linus answers a question about systemd

2015-07-03 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2015 03 Jul 15:59 -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: > Personally, I think that the only solution is the replacement of the package > manager with something more akin to a version manager, where you can have > multiple versions of the same binary package chains with differing > dependencies based on

Re: [DNG] Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-03 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Jonathan. Спасибо за ответ, Fri, 03 Jul 2015 18:43:18 -0400, вы писали: > Open Audacity and use the ALSA driver. > Now open IceWeasel or whichever browser you typically use. Bring > up an HTML5 video tutorial for Audacity from Youtube or another such > video streaming site

Re: [DNG] On DEs (Was: Sound, My experience with Devuan Alpha2)

2015-07-03 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Klaus. Спасибо за ответ, Fri, 3 Jul 2015 10:13:27 +0100, вы писали: > I am not Gregory, but This two DEs are on my blacklist at all. Being a > fvwm user for more than 20 years now and still happy with it. :-D > > Some of /my/ reasons for not choosing KDE or GNOME > - - Man

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-03 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Eugene. Во Fri, 3 Jul 2015 11:17:52 +, вы писали: > > I like the LXDE/Openbox combo. When I want a start button and > > taskbar, I use LXDE with Openbox underneath, so I get that "desktop > > environment" feel but have Openbox hotkeys available. When I'm on > > my daily

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-03 Thread Ста Деюс
В Fri, 3 Jul 2015 14:18:17 +0630 Ста Деюс пишет: > Do you of any *DE (except GDM, KDM) that supports multisessions -- > i.e. makes it possible to login through it while another session is > running? Ah! Missed one word making whole the message vain. The question was: Do you *know* of any *DE (ex

Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2

2015-07-03 Thread Ста Деюс
Доброго времени суток, Hendrik. Спасибо за ответ, Fri, 3 Jul 2015 08:05:40 -0400, вы писали: > There's >ssh -X > which can be directed at localhost. In this case, how will it look like: first user logins through non-GNOME/KDE DE, then, from terminal logins as another user? С уважением, Ста

Re: [DNG] OT: Terminal application for multitrack audio (was Re: Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2))

2015-07-03 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 10:59:06AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > Not sure what other apps you're looking for on a text > console, so I'll put in a mention of Nama, a fairly > versatile multitrack DAW that includes a terminal interface. > > https://freeshell.de/~bolangi/cgi1/nama.cgi/00home.html > > T

Re: [DNG] procps

2015-07-03 Thread Franco Lanza
On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 08:40:13PM +0300, Mitt wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm using unstable (Ceres), for quite some time now libprocps4 and thus > procps depend on libsystemd0. On stable (Jessie) there is libprocps3 which > does not depend on it. > > Mitt > ___