Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated!

2015-04-05 Thread Robert Storey
> You're s demotivating! Systemd was never a problem, it's wonderful, > you're just a troll! Just go with the program and use it: This is the > 21st century, so we need a 21st century init system. Systemd is > modular, it's comprised of nothing but modules. I think Don Armstrong > should kick y

[Dng] Devuan's release date ?

2015-04-05 Thread Martial Bornet (gmail)
Hello everyone, do you have any idea of the date when the 1st release will be available ? Thanks. Martial ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] Devuan's release date ?

2015-04-05 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Martial Bornet (gmail) wrote: > > do you have any idea of the date when the 1st release will be available ? Preferably When Ready. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/lis

Re: [Dng] Devuan's release date ?

2015-04-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Apr 05, 2015 at 01:15:07PM +0200, Martial Bornet (gmail) wrote: > Hello everyone, > > do you have any idea of the date when the 1st release will be available ? > Thanks. Not before it's ready, I hope. The pre-alpha has been out for a while. -- hendrik ___

Re: [Dng] Devuan's release date ?

2015-04-05 Thread Clarke Sideroad
On 04/05/2015 08:32 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Sun, Apr 05, 2015 at 01:15:07PM +0200, Martial Bornet (gmail) wrote: Hello everyone, do you have any idea of the date when the 1st release will be available ? Thanks. Not before it's ready, I hope. The pre-alpha has been out for a while. Hendrik

Re: [Dng] Devuan's release date ?

2015-04-05 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Is the prealpha installable using documentation, or is this a case of curl|sh? I have a laptop waiting. Arnt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] Devuan's release date ?

2015-04-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Apr 05, 2015 at 10:31:45AM -0400, Clarke Sideroad wrote: > On 04/05/2015 08:32 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > >On Sun, Apr 05, 2015 at 01:15:07PM +0200, Martial Bornet (gmail) wrote: > >>Hello everyone, > >> > >>do you have any idea of the date when the 1st release will be available ? > >>Thanks

Re: [Dng] Devuan's release date ?

2015-04-05 Thread KatolaZ
On Sun, Apr 05, 2015 at 02:57:55PM +, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Is the prealpha installable using documentation, or is this a case > of curl|sh? I have a laptop waiting. > I usually understand Alpha as "we warn you it will contain bugs and should not be used in pruduction, so just blame your

Re: [Dng] Devuan's release date ?

2015-04-05 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
I installed linux in the summer of 1992, so... where are the installation documents? Arnt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] Devuan's release date ?

2015-04-05 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 5:13 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > I admit that in the last years several distributions (and vendors) > have messed up quite a lot with these once well-understood concepts, > releasing as stable stuff that would rationally be considered barely > alpha, but I really would like Devuan

Re: [Dng] Devuan's release date ?

2015-04-05 Thread Anto
On 05/04/15 18:36, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: I installed linux in the summer of 1992, so... where are the installation documents? Arnt Hello Arnt, If you had already long experience in Linux installation process, why would you need installation documents for? Or is it because you have nev

Re: [Dng] Devuan's release date ?

2015-04-05 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
When I looked, devuan.org said neither that there are ISOs or that there are apt-get repos. Admittedly that was not exactly this week. I need documentation for... well, finding and using those two. Minimal network install preferred. Arnt ___ Dng mail

Re: [Dng] Devuan's release date ?

2015-04-05 Thread Anto
On 05/04/15 20:41, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: When I looked, devuan.org said neither that there are ISOs or that there are apt-get repos. Admittedly that was not exactly this week. I need documentation for... well, finding and using those two. Minimal network install preferred. Arnt There is

Re: [Dng] Devuan's release date ?

2015-04-05 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 20:01:14 +0200 Anto wrote: > > On 05/04/15 18:36, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > > I installed linux in the summer of 1992, so... where are the > > installation documents? > > > > Arnt > > > > Hello Arnt, > > If you had already long experience in Linux installation process, why

Re: [Dng] Devuan's release date ?

2015-04-05 Thread Anto
On 05/04/15 21:06, Steve Litt wrote: Pilots have flown thousands of flights, so why do they still use pre-flight checklists? I don't think this is a good analogy. Pre-flight check-lists down to the bolts and nuts of the planes of are mandatory because a lot of human life depend on them. It

Re: [Dng] Devuan's release date ?

2015-04-05 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 22:00:49 +0200 Anto wrote: > I agree that we need to have good documentations to minimise > mistakes. But without a good base for the documentations, I don't > think it is worth to start writing them now. It will make sense to > write Devuan documentations after it is being r

Re: [Dng] Devuan's release date ?

2015-04-05 Thread Anto
On 05/04/15 22:21, Steve Litt wrote: On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 22:00:49 +0200 Anto wrote: I agree that we need to have good documentations to minimise mistakes. But without a good base for the documentations, I don't think it is worth to start writing them now. It will make sense to write Devuan

Re: [Dng] Devuan's release date ?

2015-04-05 Thread KatolaZ
On Sun, Apr 05, 2015 at 06:41:48PM +, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > When I looked, devuan.org said neither that there are ISOs or that > there are apt-get repos. Admittedly that was not exactly this week. > I need documentation for... well, finding and using those two. > Minimal network install pre

Re: [Dng] Devuan's release date ?

2015-04-05 Thread KatolaZ
On Sun, Apr 05, 2015 at 11:01:40PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Sun, Apr 05, 2015 at 06:41:48PM +, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > > When I looked, devuan.org said neither that there are ISOs or that > > there are apt-get repos. Admittedly that was not exactly this week. > > I need documentation for...

Re: [Dng] Devuan's release date ?

2015-04-05 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 23:19:38 +0200 Anto wrote: > > > On 05/04/15 22:21, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 22:00:49 +0200 > > Anto wrote: > > > > > >> I agree that we need to have good documentations to minimise > >> mistakes. But without a good base for the documentations, I don't > >>

Re: [Dng] Devuan's release date ?

2015-04-05 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Sun, Apr 05, 2015 at 06:41:48PM +, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > When I looked, devuan.org said neither that there are ISOs or that there are > apt-get repos. Admittedly that was not exactly this week. I need > documentation for... well, finding and using those two. Minimal network > install pre

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2015-04-05 Thread hellekin
On 04/03/2015 01:28 PM, Anto wrote: > > The login form seems to support the synchronisation with Gitlab account, > which I also already registered a few months back. But I got nginx 404 > error when I clicked on "with Gitlab". > *** The single-sign-on with Gitlab requires a Gitlab setting which I

Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated!

2015-04-05 Thread T.J. Duchene
, > > > > You're s demotivating! Systemd was never a problem, it's > > wonderful, you're just a troll! Just go with the program and use it: > > This is the 21st century, so we need a 21st century init system. > > Systemd is modular, it's comprised of nothing but modules. I think Don > > Armstro

Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd

2015-04-05 Thread T.J. Duchene
> -Original Message- > From: Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI [mailto:ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org] > Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 5:34 PM > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Subject: Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd > > On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 00:11:55 +0200 > toto titi wrote: >

Re: [Dng] systemd : the perfect Unix philosophy

2015-04-05 Thread T.J. Duchene
> -Original Message- > From: toto titi [mailto:voidtothete...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 5:25 PM > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Subject: [Dng] systemd : the perfect Unix philosophy > > I love that one : > > http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.directives.h

Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd

2015-04-05 Thread Jude Nelson
If I ever write a desktop suite, it will store settings as a well-defined directory tree with human-meaningful file names and contents instead of a MySQL database or a large flat opaque file. That's just me, though. Jude On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 7:37 PM, T.J. Duchene wrote: > > > > -Original

Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated!

2015-04-05 Thread Ron
On Sun, 5 Apr 2015 18:25:15 -0500 "T.J. Duchene" wrote: > I would think that myself, except that RedHat is paying Poettering. ISTR that RedHat makes its money from selling support; so it makes sense for them to make Linux more complicated, and in a way that what we have learned over the years

Re: [Dng] Devuan's release date ?

2015-04-05 Thread Robert Storey
> I agree that we need to have good documentations to minimise mistakes. > But without a good base for the documentations, I don't think it is > worth to start writing them now. It will make sense to write Devuan > documentations after it is being released and stabilised. > > Cheers, > Anto I just

Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated!

2015-04-05 Thread Martijn Dekkers
Hey TJ! > Steve, I'd like to ask you a question from a technical standpoint. I am > not being sarcastic or condescending in any way whatsoever. If you, in > your experience, think that perhaps systemd is an attempt to clone a > Windows desktop, the server side of Linux be damned? > There are qu

Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd

2015-04-05 Thread Steve Litt
The next version of my program, UMENU, will operate just that way. Nothing but files and directories. I was originally thinking of using Yaml, which I like a lot, but decided there might be situations where requiring a Yaml parser would be prohibitive. And I'm betting that because of the way I'm bu

Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated!

2015-04-05 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 5 Apr 2015 19:56:01 -0400 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > On Sun, 5 Apr 2015 18:25:15 -0500 > "T.J. Duchene" wrote: > > > I would think that myself, except that RedHat is paying Poettering. > > ISTR that RedHat makes its money from selling support; so it makes > sense for them to make L

Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated!

2015-04-05 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 5 Apr 2015 18:25:15 -0500 "T.J. Duchene" wrote: > , > > > > > > You're s demotivating! Systemd was never a problem, it's > > > wonderful, you're just a troll! Just go with the program and use > > > it: This is the 21st century, so we need a 21st century init > > > system. Systemd is m

Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated!

2015-04-05 Thread Neo Futur
>> > For all of you not familiar with Debian-User, my reply was a humorous >> > parody of what happens on Debian-User every time somebody questions >> > the devine wisdom of systemd. > [T.J. ] Are you guys just making jokes or are people really like that over at > Debian User these days? > I reali

Re: [Dng] Please, Sir, could we have a registry ?

2015-04-05 Thread Steven W. Scott
+1000 Best software joke of the year!!! Cherry on top/+500: boot-time chat and web browsing? SWS On Apr 4, 2015 6:35 PM, "Renaud OLGIATI" wrote: > On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 00:11:55 +0200 > toto titi wrote: > > > Nearly as complex as a Microsoft operating system, look at that : > > http://www.freedesk

Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd

2015-04-05 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Sun, Apr 05, 2015 at 07:52:32PM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote: > If I ever write a desktop suite, it will store settings as a well-defined > directory tree with human-meaningful file names and contents instead of a > MySQL database or a large flat opaque file. The only desktop I use does. Yes, I u