Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 19/03/2015 21:15, Steve Litt a écrit : If anyone want's Gnome for Devuan, let that be in a "contaminated" repository (and yes, that's what I believe it should be called), Hi steve. As discussed in another thread, there are certainly other packages affected by the big-brother syndro

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Go Linux
On Fri, 3/20/15, Didier Kryn wrote: Subject: Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied? To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Friday, March 20, 2015, 10:48 AM Le 19/03/2015 21:15, Steve Litt a écrit : > If anyone want's Gnome for Devuan, let that be in a "contaminated" > repository (a

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 20 March 2015 08:56:47 Go Linux wrote: > I support this idea. Put all the systemd stuff in a 'quarantine' repo with > the appropriate 'use at your own risk' caveats. I'd like to suggest a more generic approach, based on (quick shot suggestion to get refined) listing the number of direct a

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 17:13:17 +0100 Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > On Fri 20 March 2015 08:56:47 Go Linux wrote: > > I support this idea. Put all the systemd stuff in a 'quarantine' > > repo with the appropriate 'use at your own risk' caveats. > > I'd like to suggest a more generic approach, based o

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Anto
On 20/03/15 16:56, Go Linux wrote: On Fri, 3/20/15, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 19/03/2015 21:15, Steve Litt a écrit : If anyone want's Gnome for Devuan, let that be in a "contaminated" repository (and yes, that's what I believe it should be called), Hi steve. As discussed in anothe

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 01:44:55PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > Let me give an analogy that's absolutely offtopic here, I use it only Not as off-topic as you might think. > as an analogy. Three years ago, I made a policy that no KDE library or > software would ever exist on any of Troubleshooter

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Joel Roth
Steve Litt wrote: > What would especially float my boat, once there's a truly depoetterized > Devuan, is to have the package manager warn me at 160 decibles if I > decide to install something that pulls in any systemd code, because if > there's a way to run without systemd code, that's how I want t

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 09:40:43 -1000 Joel Roth wrote: > Steve Litt wrote: > > What would especially float my boat, once there's a truly > > depoetterized Devuan, is to have the package manager warn me at 160 > > decibles if I decide to install something that pulls in any systemd > > code, because i

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 20:07:05 +0100 Anto wrote: > > On 20/03/15 16:56, Go Linux wrote: > > On Fri, 3/20/15, Didier Kryn wrote: > > > > Le 19/03/2015 21:15, Steve Litt a écrit : > >> If anyone want's Gnome for Devuan, let that be in a "contaminated" > >> repository (and yes, that's what I belie

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Anto
On 20/03/15 21:08, Steve Litt wrote: Anto, You're absolutely right. So let me modify my idea... If anybody *chooses* to integrate an app with any direct or indirect systemd dependencies, that person must put their package in the "contaminated" or "quarantine" repository, and that person is res

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 04:01:28PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 09:40:43 -1000 > Joel Roth wrote: > > > Steve Litt wrote: > > > What would especially float my boat, once there's a truly > > > depoetterized Devuan, is to have the package manager warn me at 160 > > > decibles if I

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 20 March 2015 16:08:24 Steve Litt wrote: > If anybody *chooses* to integrate an app with any direct or indirect > systemd dependencies, that person must put their package in the > "contaminated" or "quarantine" repository, It seems the discussion is a tad missing the point, since a) devuan

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 9:09 PM, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > My guess would be that all rogue stuff like > systemd simply doesn't show up in devuan's packages.gz, and thus any package > depending on it would run into unmet dependencies when trying to install it. Makes sense. __

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 10:09:20PM +0100, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > > for details on how all this works on apt level with the devuan overlay over > debian, you rather ask nextime. My guess would be that all rogue stuff like > systemd simply doesn't show up in devuan's packages.gz, and thus any

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 20 March 2015 18:08:51 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 10:09:20PM +0100, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > > for details on how all this works on apt level with the devuan overlay > > over > > debian, you rather ask nextime. My guess would be that all rogue stuff > > like > > systemd

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread T.J. Duchene
-Original Message- > On Fri 20 March 2015 08:56:47 Go Linux wrote: > > I support this idea. Put all the systemd stuff in a 'quarantine' > > repo with the appropriate 'use at your own risk' caveats. > From: Steve Litt [mailto:sl...@troubleshooters.com] What would especially float my

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 21:43:46 +0100 Anto wrote: > > On 20/03/15 21:08, Steve Litt wrote: > > Anto, > > > > You're absolutely right. So let me modify my idea... > > > > If anybody *chooses* to integrate an app with any direct or indirect > > systemd dependencies, that person must put their package

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

2015-03-20 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 20 March 2015 22:09:20 Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > for details on how all this works on apt level with the devuan overlay over > debian, you rather ask nextime. Rather first look here: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla/blob/master/README.md signature.asc Description: T