On 03/02/2015 01:57 AM, KatolaZ wrote:
So the problem is not the language.
While I cited Perl and Python in particular, the gist of my rant was
about sloppy coding practices. I singled a few things out because I
personally feel that their communities can be regarded as some of the
worst off
On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 02:59:40AM -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote:
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> Contrary to what most "modern" programmers would like to promote, I
> do not believe for one second that mandatorily garbage collected,
> bounded languages create better code design. I would subscribe to
> precisely the rev
В Sun, 1 Mar 2015 21:19:04 +
Isaac Dunham пишет:
> Over here, those who are more particular about such things consider
> "ass" to be a somewhat vulgar term when referring to the posterior
> rather than a male donkey (and "kick ass" refers to the aforesaid
> pportion of the anatomy). Not quit
В Sun, 1 Mar 2015 14:37:55 -0430
Richard пишет:
> > Can Devuan be a security-aware, privacy-aware distro?
> >
> > Er Envite
>
> It may be.
> Time will tell.
> No one knows yet.
Security should be kept in mind always - otherwise who will use it? -
Just for offline machines - i guess it scarcely
> > Contrary to what most "modern" programmers would like to promote, I
> > do not believe for one second that mandatorily garbage collected,
> > bounded languages create better code design.
>
> I honestly can't see all this failing around of code written in
> Python, Perl or Ruby :)
garbage colle
I've been playing with golang recently and although you can't strictly stop it
garbage collecting you can compile with a flag which produces the output of the
escape analysis. Anything that doesn't escape gets stored on the stack. Things
that might are stored in the heap.
I often compile with t
On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 07:01:24AM -0500, Gravis wrote:
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> garbage collection is actually a compounding issue, meaning that while
> it may not be a problem for programs that are only active for a few
> minutes before terminating, it is a problem for programs that are high
> intensity or r
On Mar 1, 2015 6:26 PM, "fsmithred" wrote:
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> >
> > On 03/01/2015 04:41 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:> On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at
05:44:47PM +, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >>> I tried using the valentine installer on a disk that already had three
> >>> primary partitions and a lot of empty space.
> >>
> >>
On Mon, 2 Mar 2015, T.J. Duchene wrote:
On 03/01/2015 05:56 PM, Tor Myklebust wrote:
The perl-base package pre-depends on libc6 and dpkg. And nothing else.
I was not referring to all the software that depends on them when using
Debian/Devuan. I've never believed that they make good choic
On Mar 2, 2015 10:41 AM, "Richard" wrote:
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>
> On Mar 1, 2015 6:26 PM, "fsmithred" wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On 03/01/2015 04:41 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:> On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at
05:44:47PM +, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > >>> I tried using the valentine installer on a disk that already had
three
> >
On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 12:16:52AM -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote:
>
> On 03/01/2015 05:56 PM, Tor Myklebust wrote:
> >
> >The perl-base package pre-depends on libc6 and dpkg. And nothing else.
> I was not referring to all the software that depends on them when
> using Debian/Devuan. I've never belie
Le 02/03/2015 16:40, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
>Frankly, I've also believe that
>interpreted languages should never be used for anything other than a
>teaching tool.
There's one huge advantage of interpreted languages: The code you see in
the editor*is* the code you are running. No compiler to
On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 05:35:42PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
>
> Le 02/03/2015 16:40, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
> >>>Frankly, I've also believe that
> >>>interpreted languages should never be used for anything other than a
> >>>teaching tool.
> >There's one huge advantage of interpreted languages: T
On Mon, 02 Mar 2015 00:16:52 -0600
"T.J. Duchene" wrote:
> Frankly, I've also believe that
> interpreted languages should never be used for anything other than a
> teaching tool. If you must use something like that, at least use
> something that supports JIT to native code.
If I were the king of
On Mon, 2 Mar 2015 00:50:04 -0500 (EST)
Peter Olson wrote:
> > On March 2, 2015 at 12:07 AM Steve Litt
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > In a previous thread I discussed the usefulness and productivity of
> > using dmenu in parallel with the hierarchical menu. I'm about 1/4
> > done, all
On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 12:05:34PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Mar 2015 00:16:52 -0600
> "T.J. Duchene" wrote:
>
> > Frankly, I've also believe that
> > interpreted languages should never be used for anything other than a
> > teaching tool. If you must use something like that, at least
On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 11:26:55PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 05:07:10PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > Interesting. I've used the Debian installer before, I think in the
> > time of wheezy, and it worked with existing partitions.
>
> So does the one in jessie.
>
> I
On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 12:11:46PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Mar 2015 00:50:04 -0500 (EST)
> Peter Olson wrote:
>
> > > On March 2, 2015 at 12:07 AM Steve Litt
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > In a previous thread I discussed the usefulness and productivity of
> >
On 02/28/2015 04:40 AM, Jaromil wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Ok, that sounds like a plan.
But which is the default DE for Devuan-- XFCE or Mate?
It will be Xfce4, since Mate is somehow too big.
Later on, we may still want to have a respin installer and/or liveCD
On 03/02/2015 08:13 AM, KatolaZ wrote:
On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 07:01:24AM -0500, Gravis wrote:
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Hi Gravis,
I appreciate that, but I personally can't see how the problems of
garbage collection in Java are related with good or bad programming
practices, or with a supposedly terribly long c
On 03/02/2015 09:11 AM, Tor Myklebust wrote:
I'm even more confused by your position than I was before.
I can see your point. I'll try to explain more concisely.
When I call something "overuse", I am referring to the ideas that an
interpreted language must be used as "glue" between two bi
On 03/02/2015 10:49 AM, KatolaZ wrote:
On
And as they have already explained above, this is exactly the reason
why some non-critical Debian system utilities (such as debconf or
adduser) are written in Perl or Python :) And they were so cool to
manage to reduce the dependencies of these packages
On 03/02/2015 11:05 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
If I were the king of all open source, and a programmer asked to write
a program in C, I would ask them to justify that. Will their
performance bottleneck be the code itself rather than the typist's
fingers? Will the time taken by their program material
Sorry stupid Mail program sent it before I finished. Keyboard seems to
be having a bad day.
On 03/02/2015 11:05 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
Because here's the thing. We all say we're great programmers, but
somehow, on lots of software, buffers get overrun. Pointers go errant.
Programs proceed a
On Mon, 2 Mar 2015, T.J. Duchene wrote:
A respectable percentage of today's Linux distribution is a kludge of rapid
pre-existing hacks that do not always work well when layered. You have
something like adduser or other command utilities written in Perl, which are
then called by init scripts,
Later on, we may still want to have a respin installer and/or liveCD
with Mate default and anyway Mate is simple to apt-get install.
With XFCE 4.12, just released any interest I had in Mate is now
diminished considerably. I've nothing against Mate personally, but
objectively speaking, XFCE
On 03/02/2015 05:33 PM, Tor Myklebust wrote:
This is indeed true, but it seems like a social problem rather than a
technical problem. People can, and will, write garbage software no
matter what tools they have. It might pay to let them do this with as
little pain as possible so they can go
On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 04:12:02PM -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote:
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> On 03/02/2015 09:11 AM, Tor Myklebust wrote:
> >
> >I'm even more confused by your position than I was before.
> >
> >
> I can see your point. I'll try to explain more concisely.
>
> When I call something "overuse", I am referring
Are you guys ever gonna run out of gas? This thread has pretty much taken over
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> On 03/02/2015 08:13 AM, KatolaZ wrote:
>
> I appreciate that, but I personally can't see how the problems of
> garbage collection in Java are related with good or bad programming
> practices,
it's an problem with garbage collection in general, not just with Java.
> or with a supposedly terribl
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On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:36 PM, Go Linux wrote:
> Are y
# Devuan Weekly News Issue XIV
__Volume 002, Week 9, Devuan Week 14__
Released 03/03/12015 [HE](why-he)
https://git.devuan.org/Envite/devuan-weekly-news/wikis/past-issues/volume-02/issue-014
## Editorial
It's hard to believe it's winter when you have to mop the sweat out of
your keyboard, but
On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 04:35:24PM -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote:
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> >I would like to point out that this is not just a curse of
> >Debian. Also other distros and other operating systems (like FreeBSD)
> >use perl and python scripts for some non-critical system software,
> True, enough!
>
> >ju
Hey everyone,
Sorry the weekly vdev update is a day late this time. I've been traveling
most of this week, so I haven't had much time to work on it. However, I am
happy to report that:
* Thanks to Isaac Durham, vdev should now create the /dev/by-label symlinks
for disks.
* vdevfs (the filesyste
On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 02:33:27PM -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote:
> @Katolz
>
> It's just a conversation, an exchange of views. It's marked as OT.
> Nothing wrong with that, and it is never intended to be a "put down"
> in any way. =) I find such to be a valuable measure of the
> community.
>
>
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