Доброго времени суток, Martijn.
Спасибо за ответ, Tue, 3 Feb 2015 16:34:59 +0200, вы писали:
> I (my company) looks after a lot of servers, and we are *always*
> looking for ways to make things go better, faster, and stronger :)
> automation is a *huge* part of what we do, as is security. Systemd
Доброго времени суток, Didier.
Спасибо за ответ, Tue, 03 Feb 2015 12:31:33 +0100, вы писали:
> I think it is fine that T.J.Duchene gives his opinion, although
> I disagree with him. I'm very optimistic about Systemd-free Linux, so
> optimistic that I think Devuan is simply preparing the fut
Доброго времени суток, R.M..
Спасибо за ответ, Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:10:45 +, вы писали:
> T.J.'s opinions make a lot of sense to me and I suspect also to
> others reading this list. Many people who have in the past relied
> upon Debian Linux as a solid platform for doing productive work are
>
Le 22/02/2015 19:28, Jim Murphy a écrit :
Hi,
First let me make it clear I'm not a fan of either systemd of journald.
I've been watching the "btrfs-linux" mailing list, when the following
subject popped up a few days ago:
Systemd 219 now sets the special FS_NOCOW file flag for its journal
Доброго времени суток, Noel.
Спасибо за новость, Wed, 11 Feb 2015 05:18:25 +, вы писали:
> we know is that they're already planning on delivering some kickass
Could you please cease «kickass» here -- for people read your news
also, but such rudness leaves them nothing but to shrink from your
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:48 AM, Anto wrote:
> No comment anyone?
Actually, i didn't see your first post...
For Debian, you could try, as a hack, to install either and older
wheezy or squeeze, pin stuff and upgrade. There are also docs laying
around for stippping systemd from wheezy to varying d
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Ста Деюс wrote:
> But, at the first, what is planned to perform to protect «Devuan» from
> the guys, that got hold of the fantastic project «Debian»? In other
> words, if the guys come to «Devuan» and by their cruelty will start
> to «help» some of developers to co
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 01:04:05PM +, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Ста Деюс wrote:
> > But, at the first, what is planned to perform to protect «Devuan» from
> > the guys, that got hold of the fantastic project «Debian»? In other
> > words, if the guys come to «Devu
Le 23/02/2015 14:04, Nuno Magalhães a écrit :
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Ста Деюс wrote:
But, at the first, what is planned to perform to protect «Devuan» from
the guys, that got hold of the fantastic project «Debian»? In other
words, if the guys come to «Devuan» and by their cruelty wil
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 02:39:06PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
>
> Le 23/02/2015 14:04, Nuno Magalhães a écrit :
> >On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Ста Деюс wrote:
> >>But, at the first, what is planned to perform to protect «Devuan» from
> >>the guys, that got hold of the fantastic project «Debia
>
> But we have to be realistic here: in the last 15 years the
> requirements for a "minimal" install of a GNU/Linux system have
> enormously expanded in size, number and variety of packages. No distro
> can currently install a working system for less than about 1 GB, even
> without X, and this is
>
> I think of another side of the medal: how the just starting project. w/
> a lot of work to be done ahead, is going to be protected in the future
> -- to share not the fate of «Debian»?
> [...]
> But, at the first, what is planned to perform to protect «Devuan» from
> the guys, that got hold of
> Could you please cease «kickass» here -- for people read your news
> also, but such rudness leaves them nothing but to shrink from your
> writing. Thanks again for the news though.
“kickass” is not even a swear word.
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On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 01:19:04PM +, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 01:04:05PM +, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Ста Деюс wrote:
> > > But, at the first, what is planned to perform to protect «Devuan» from
> > > the guys, that got hold of the fantasti
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 07:22:26PM +0300, Jack L. Frost wrote:
> > Could you please cease «kickass» here -- for people read your news
> > also, but such rudness leaves them nothing but to shrink from your
> > writing. Thanks again for the news though.
>
> “kickass” is not even a swear word.
But i
On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 16:50:05 -0600
"T.J. Duchene" wrote:
> This was inevitable and expected. I'm not trying to be an "I told you
> so" but I have mentioned this is a likely scenario before now. It's
> not the end of the universe, however.
LOL, for the first time in history, T.J. and I agree on
Didier Kryn wrote:
>
> Le 23/02/2015 14:04, Nuno Magalhães a écrit :
> >On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Ста Деюс wrote:
> >>But, at the first, what is planned to perform to protect «Devuan» from
> >>the guys, that got hold of the fantastic project «Debian»? In other
> >>words, if the guys come t
On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 20:11:12 + (UTC)
Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Hi Jonathan,
I rearranged the order of your post...
>
> Anyhow, if any of those three are missing under the planned system,
> I'd be happy to help try to rectify the situation.
That's supremely cool. Discoverability is *everyth
On Mon, 23 Feb 2015, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 01:19:04PM +, KatolaZ wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 01:04:05PM +, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> > > On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Ста Деюс
> > > wrote:
> > > > But, at the first, what is planned to perform to protect «D
On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 07:47:32 -1000
Joel Roth wrote:
> Didier Kryn wrote:
> >
> > I think this question goes together with the badge or logo
> > question. It must go beyond "sans-systemd";
> > it is more about principles. Let's list some:
> >
> > - freedom of choice,
> > - interchangealil
Hello Nuno,
Thanks a lot for your comment.
Yes. I am aware that Devuan is not ready yet. My question was about the
preparation to switch from Debian to Devuan, whether I should stay on
the testing packages (and keep updating weekly), downgrade to wheezy or
even downgrade to squeeze.
But I n
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 07:47:32AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
> Didier Kryn wrote:
> >
> > Le 23/02/2015 14:04, Nuno Magalhães a écrit :
> > >On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Ста Деюс
> > >wrote:
> > >>But, at the first, what is planned to perform to protect «Devuan» from
> > >>the guys, that got h
I have a three-or-four year-old laptop on which I am replacingg the hard drive.
It
seems to be old enough not to have proper virtualisatoin hardware. It
currently
dual-boots Debian testing, and, once in a blue moon, Windows XP.
(So far the main problems I have had is to copy Windows' three p
On Saturday, 21 de February de 2015 18:49:35 hellekin escribió:
> On 02/21/15 13:40, Go Linux wrote:
> > Urm . . . it's about more than just init and that needs to be conveyed in
> > the badge.
>
> *** It says "if" :)
>
> https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-art/blob/devuan-alpha/graphic
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 04:30:39PM -0500, william moss wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA256
>
> On 02/23/2015 04:24 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > I have a three-or-four year-old laptop on which I am replacingg the hard
> > drive. It
> > seems to be old enough not to have pro
Have you tried dd'ing the .iso directly to the USB stick?
Example:
# dd if=/path/to/valentine/pre-alpha.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M
(assuming /dev/sdb is your USB device).
-Jude
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Hendrik Boom
wrote:
> I have a three-or-four year-old laptop on which I am replacingg th
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 04:35:32PM -0500, Jude Nelson wrote:
>
> Have you tried dd'ing the .iso directly to the USB stick?
No. There are enough things that can potentially go wrong that
I thought it might be best to get instructions first, rather than
to be debugging soething totally wrong.
>
>
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:47:16AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> As far as I understand, COW means that the whole file is
> rewritten everytime you change a single byte in it (or is it only
> some "extent"?). That's a real mess when you are continuously
> appending to files hundreds of megabytes
On Saturday, 21 de February de 2015 18:52:22 Nate Bargmann escribió:
> * On 2015 20 Feb 11:56 -0600, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 08:59:33 -0800
> >
> > Go Linux wrote:
> > > We all knew this was coming . . .
> > >
> > > KDE Will Depend on 'logind' and 'timedated' in 6 Months
> > >
> Re: [Dng] KDE systemd lock-in
> From: Steve Litt
> LOL, for the first time in history, T.J. and I agree on something. I
> too said KDE would soon be in the systemd bot army.
Hopefully, we will have many more such civilised agreements and disagreements,
Steve! =) I look forward to them
> My philosopher as a free software author is this: The buck stops with
> me. If my software screws up, it's my fault and my responsibility to
> fix, regardless of the actual root cause is in code I wrote or a tool I
> use.
>
> If I were having problems with two different compilers treating my c
On Monday, February 23, 2015 04:46:34 PM you wrote:
> > My philosopher as a free software author is this: The buck stops with
> > me. If my software screws up, it's my fault and my responsibility to
> > fix, regardless of the actual root cause is in code I wrote or a tool I
> > use.
> >
> > If I w
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Anto wrote:
> What is not clear to me is that, what will happen to udev or all systemd
> related packages that are currently required by nginx-extras and php5-fpm
> for instance?
On wheezy i don't see nginx-extras depending on udev or any systemd*.
I don't have je
> Why not? If I were a developer and I had a library or service doing part
of my
> work, I would link to it and delete duplicated code on my side.
If logind could be run fully independently from systemd, I don't think
there would be as much of a controversy.
This is why I don't really buy the exp
On Monday, 23 de February de 2015 17:08:17 Hendrik Boom escribió:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 07:22:26PM +0300, Jack L. Frost wrote:
> > > Could you please cease «kickass» here -- for people read your news
> > > also, but such rudness leaves them nothing but to shrink from your
> > > writing. Thanks
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> Unless, of course, we choose to use the band's logo as well...
Paul Stanley's tongue... Tux sticking its tongue out... dunno. Anyway
will Devuan have release names? I'd go with Calimero for 1.0.
___
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 03:54:56PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 07:47:32AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
> > Didier Kryn wrote:
> > >
> > > Le 23/02/2015 14:04, Nuno Magalhães a écrit :
> > > >On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Ста Деюс
> > > >wrote:
> > > >>But, at the first, wh
On Monday, 23 de February de 2015 23:48:36 Nuno Magalhães escribió:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Hendrik Boom
wrote:
> > Unless, of course, we choose to use the band's logo as well...
>
> Paul Stanley's tongue... Tux sticking its tongue out... dunno. Anyway
> will Devuan have release names
On Monday, 23 de February de 2015 16:26:03 Steve Litt escribió:
> On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 11:06:03 -0500
>
> Jude Nelson wrote:
> > Not according to their documentation:
> > * the weston launcher program (weston-launch) needs extra privileges
> > to issue the KMS ioctl()s. It can do so via systemd,
If we're going to make allusions to media, my suggestion comes from TRON:
"Devuan fights for the Users"
-Jude
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:52 PM, Joel Roth wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 03:54:56PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 07:47:32AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
> > > D
ha! jude it's perfect. if there was ever a Master Control Program, it
would be systemd. ;)
--Gravis
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Jude Nelson wrote:
> If we're going to make allusions to media, my suggestion comes from TRON:
> "Devuan fights for the Users"
>
> -Jude
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 201
On Sunday, 22 de February de 2015 18:28:06 Jim Murphy escribió:
[...]
> If I have a btrfs mirror and I didn't mess with it by setting FS_NOCOW,
> shouldn't I be able to recover the file? I would sure hope so. He
> creates this "better" way of logging, then he seems to not even care if
> you can u
On Tuesday, 24 de February de 2015 00:35:59 Gravis escribió:
> ha! jude it's perfect. if there was ever a Master Control Program, it
> would be systemd. ;)
Partitioning memory, controlling permissions, access to hardware, managing
networks, shredding programs from memory... I always thought MCP
On Monday, 23 de February de 2015 23:39:19 Jude Nelson escribió:
> > Why not? If I were a developer and I had a library or service doing part
>
> of my
>
> > work, I would link to it and delete duplicated code on my side.
>
> If logind could be run fully independently from systemd, I don't think
On Monday, 23 de February de 2015 21:35:47 Hendrik Boom escribió:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 04:30:39PM -0500, william moss wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA256
> >
> > On 02/23/2015 04:24 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > > I have a three-or-four year-old laptop on which I am r
> Please note that I'm not defending systemd. I just explai why KDE
movement is logical.
Sorry, I should have been clearer. My mini-rant was aimed at KDE.
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Noel Torres wrote:
> On Monday, 23 de February de 2015 23:39:19 Jude Nelson escribió:
> > > Why not? If I
# Devuan Weekly News Issue XIII
__Volume 002, Week 8, Devuan Week 13__
Released 24/02/12015 [HE](Why-HE)
https://git.devuan.org/Envite/devuan-weekly-news/wikis/past-issues/volume-002/issue-013
## Editorial
In the same way that Devuan is the project of a group, with people
more dedicated and p
I'm just wondering how this is going to affect KDE apps. I have several KDE
apps installed on my current system, and really like them. It would be a
pity if I couldn't use them in the future, though some of them could easily
be replaced with non-KDE equivalents. I also have to wonder about Gnome
ap
Although I'm very hopeful that Devuan will be my future distro of choice,
we're still not there yet. I thought it might be prudent for me to survey
the other possibilities that do not depend on systemd. So yesterday, I
decided to give FreeBSD (actually, PC-BSD) a trial run.
I'm sorry to say that i
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:34:58AM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
> ...
> dpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (native)':
> native package version may not have a revision
>
> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -nc problem "goes away"
>
Just
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 4:19 AM, Isaac Dunham wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:34:58AM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
>> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
>> ...
>> dpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (native)':
>> native package version may not have a revision
>>
>>
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 11:40:06AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 10:26:01AM -0500, Gravis wrote:
> > > Kernel live patching makes KDBUS and systemD support mandatory!
> >
> > i'm weary of KDBUS but live patching is something i consider too dangerous.
> > --Gravis
>
> But wh
> I'm just wondering how this is going to affect KDE apps. I have several KDE
> apps installed on my current system, and really like them. It would be a
> pity if I couldn't use them in the future, though some of them could easily
> be replaced with non-KDE equivalents.
I don't think you need t
> On February 23, 2015 at 7:35 PM Gravis wrote:
>
>
> ha! jude it's perfect. if there was ever a Master Control Program, it
> would be systemd. ;)
>
> --Gravis
I have this image of the scene late in Tron where the MCP is turning red in the
uplink after the data disk has been hurled into it.
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