On 2015-02-02 17:47, T.J. Duchene wrote:
Funny thing. I hear a lot of complaining about systemd, and yes, i
think some of it is justified, but consider this...Rather than
joining
the project and steering it in another direction, or creating patches
to fix what you do not like, everyone is just
On 2015-02-02 23:14, Gravis wrote:
Unless Devuan intends to drop or fork every single piece of software
that
decides to use systemd's facilities, it's going to be a war of
attrition as
things go on, no matter the arguments against systemd.
for the vast majority of programs that depend on syst
I posted a list of packages in another thread. I think we should figure
out which ones are easy to recompile and set up an automated build process
to do that periodically, and parcel out the ones that aren't to people who
can patch them.
-Jude
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:47 AM, Michael Dec wrote:
On 03/02/15 07:04, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote:
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 00:21:06 -0600
From: t.j.duch...@gmail.com
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] What's new in Systemd
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On Monday, February 02
On Mon, 2015-02-02 at 16:54 -0600, t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, February 02, 2015 07:57:23 PM Vlad wrote:
...
> I think that uselessd or FreeBSD's compatibility projects are probably the
> most likely solutions.
What about Guix with GNU dmd as init system? This is at least the GNU
fu
On Mon, 2015-02-02 at 19:25 -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2015 02 Feb 07:53 -0600, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
> > I found this an interesting read:
> IMO, it is time for a Devuan Alpha release, developer preview, or
> something for this project to show the world it is serious and
> developing a
Exactly! that's what i feel and think about it.
On 2015-02-02 15:46, Steve Litt wrote:
On Mon, 2 Feb 2015 11:47:28 -0600
"T.J. Duchene" wrote:
Funny thing. I hear a lot of complaining about systemd, and yes, i
think some of it is justified, but consider this...Rather than
joining the project
I think it is fine that T.J.Duchene gives his opinion, although I
disagree with him. I'm very optimistic about Systemd-free Linux, so
optimistic that I think Devuan is simply preparing the future of Debian.
The reason why RedHat develops and enforces systemd is clear to me:
they have c
On Mon, Feb 02, 2015 at 04:32:06PM -0500, Jude Nelson wrote:
> Hi Jaromil,
>
> Making vdev easy to use in sandboxed contexts (chroot, lxc, jails, etc.) is
> definitely a design requirement!
Looks useful. Might make system recovery easier. One thing I'd like
to be able to do is run a dist-upgra
On Mon, 2 Feb 2015 20:40:30 -0500
Jude Nelson wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> Is there a list somewhere that has the packages in Jessie that depend
> on some part of systemd? I'd like to get the ball rolling on
> compiling out systemd dependencies for Devuan packages, but I don't
> want to duplicate
On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 08:29:40 +
Michael Dec wrote:
> On 2015-02-02 17:47, T.J. Duchene wrote:
> > Funny thing. I hear a lot of complaining about systemd, and yes, i
> > think some of it is justified, but consider this...Rather than
> > joining
> > the project and steering it in another direc
Hi,
The reason why RedHat develops and enforces systemd is clear to me: they
> have customers paying for a ready-made system that RedHat would maintain.
> They want to increase their productivity by introducing tools which
> automate things as much as possible, plus security-related features -- a
Hi,
Jude Nelson posted an enormous rdepends list, of what packages would
need to be changed for Devuan Jessie,but from my own experimentation I
concluded that it wasn't so bad if we are willing to give up on a few
other things:
- Give up on GNOME for the moment
- Accept that a few key packa
On Tue, 03 Feb 2015, Godefridus Daalmans wrote:
> Maybe we can make a Wiki page with these kind of middle-ware
> packages?? That would be something that many of us can participate
> in.
I'm in touchwith Nextime who is working hard on the continuous
integration and jenkins build pipeline after get
On Tue, Feb 03, 2015 at 04:14:10PM +0100, Godefridus Daalmans wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Jude Nelson posted an enormous rdepends list, of what packages would need to
> be changed for Devuan Jessie,but from my own experimentation I concluded
> that it wasn't so bad if we are willing to give up on a few other
On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 16:14:10 +0100
Godefridus Daalmans wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Jude Nelson posted an enormous rdepends list, of what packages would
> need to be changed for Devuan Jessie,but from my own experimentation
> I concluded that it wasn't so bad if we are willing to give up on a
> few other t
On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 16:14:10 +0100
Godefridus Daalmans wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Jude Nelson posted an enormous rdepends list, of what packages would
> need to be changed for Devuan Jessie,but from my own experimentation
> I concluded that it wasn't so bad if we are willing to give up on a
> few other t
Am Dienstag, 3. Februar 2015 schrieb Steve Litt:
> On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 16:14:10 +0100
> Godefridus Daalmans wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Jude Nelson posted an enormous rdepends list, of what packages would
> > need to be changed for Devuan Jessie,but from my own experimentation
> > I concluded that
On Tue, 3 Feb 2015 20:15:50 +0100
Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 3. Februar 2015 schrieb Steve Litt:
> > On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 16:14:10 +0100
> > Godefridus Daalmans wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Jude Nelson posted an enormous rdepends list, of what packages
> > > would need to be chang
Hi Steve,
Thanks for the links; this is exactly the kind of information I was looking
for.
-Jude
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 9:14 AM, Steve Litt
wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Feb 2015 20:40:30 -0500
> Jude Nelson wrote:
>
> > Hey everyone,
> >
> > Is there a list somewhere that has the packages in Jessie tha
Am Dienstag, 3. Februar 2015 schrieb Steve Litt:
> On Tue, 3 Feb 2015 20:15:50 +0100
> Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
>
> > Am Dienstag, 3. Februar 2015 schrieb Steve Litt:
> > > On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 16:14:10 +0100
> > > Godefridus Daalmans wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Jude Nelson posted an
On Tue, 3 Feb 2015 22:27:43 +0100
Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> When you remove all extra stuff from TDE then you end up with a sytem
> thats still superior to XFCE.
Here on this Gentoo box I set up (moving away from systemd on Debian
maybe 9 months ago), I was having trouble installing XFCE without
b
> Nik, how reasonable would it be to use TDE without KDE apps? Would
> doing so still yield benefits over and above, let's say, Xfce? Does TDE
> have any systemd dependencies?
>
> Thanks,
>
> SteveT
>
Oh, I forgot one thing: On TDE you can move windows from desktop to desktop
using the pager,
> Never heard of TDE, so I can't compare it to that.
TDE is "Trinity Desktop Environment" which in reality is just KDE 3,
like MATE is Gnome 2.
--Gravis
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Gordon Haverland
wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Feb 2015 22:27:43 +0100
> Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
>
>> When you remove all
Take a look to http://calamares.io/
Could be interesting for the distro installer
--
Bye: Javier Ortega Conde (Malkavian)
Member of Go Club of Bilbao (GoBi)http://gobi.webnode.es
Member of GLUB, Eghost, Itsa
On Mon, 2015-02-02 at 16:09 -0500, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
> On 02/02/15 15:56, Vlad wrote:
> > Well Poettering is actually getting paid for doing all this, the same
> goes for a lot of other contributors, basically they have nothing
> better to do and this is a nice excuse to get money.
> >
> >
( being on the two mailing lists I m cross posting on the TDE mailing
list so they know devuan could be interested in supporting TDE . . . )
same here, TDE ( kde3 fork reacting to the unstable kde4 bloat ) :
* have all the features I expect from a modern window manager
* is very stable, even if y
On Tue, 2015-02-03 at 17:11 -0500, Gravis wrote:
> > Never heard of TDE, so I can't compare it to that.
>
> TDE is "Trinity Desktop Environment" which in reality is just KDE 3,
> like MATE is Gnome 2.
Last time I installed MATE in Debian it was not dependent on *systemd*.
Maybe it is now, I haven
On Wed, Feb 04, 2015 at 01:19:26AM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> Last time I installed MATE in Debian it was not dependent on *systemd*.
> Maybe it is now, I haven't upgraded for some time.
In jessie, you need systemd (but not systemd-sysv) for things like shutdown,
reboot, suspend or hibernate f
Neo Futur,
why don't the TDE people just submit their packages to Debian?
--Gravis
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Neo Futur wrote:
> ( being on the two mailing lists I m cross posting on the TDE mailing
> list so they know devuan could be interested in supporting TDE . . . )
>
> same here, TDE
Regarding seeing battery levels from the GUI, I currently use fdpowermon.
It polls the battery info from sysfs every few seconds via acpi.
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 04, 2015 at 01:19:26AM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> > Last time I installed MATE in Debi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbhEa2GFuTM
Please take a listen. This is how many of us feel put upon by this
systemd bullshit fiasco.
Linus why ain't you listening? (He thinks' systemd's just fine and
doesn't get why not we all think that now)
The song's (C) GNU GPL v2 of-course.
How goes the
Bastille-linux doesn't work with debian anymore.
It worked with my early version of debian wheezy.
It won't run on my friend's debian 7.8
This suggests that even though debian 7 is a "stable" release, debian is
mucking with it.
(Did they update to a version of TK that "depreciates" things (the ne
I put these together over the last few weeks
(the middle one done with friends, the first and last are mine).
I was thinking about how I hate systemd, how I hate the people
running debian since the SSH fiasco (they really do not give
a fuck about security, they do care a WHOLE lot about
transgend
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