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On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 10:10:28 +0200
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Saying that systemd is the source of all evil and we are doomed to
> it, is in no way helpful for any "we want to be without systemd"
> efforts like Devuan. Quite the opposite: It harms the credibility of
> such projects, cause it gi
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 01:59:28PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
>
> If you want to see this as a cancer or virus infection you are subjected
> to, it is your choice. I doubt that it is a choice that is effective at
> changing the situation, but it is your choice.
Seeing it as a cancer is mo
On 2015-03-31 10:10, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Hi!
Neither systemd nor systemd upstream have any power over you.
This is still *free* software.
Stop giving your power away.
Ciao,
the systemd discussion is most importantly not a technical discussion
but a discussion on its centr
"Saying that systemd is the source of all evil and we are doomed to it, is
in no way helpful for any..."
It's the spawn of Satan, I tell you! Have you not seen the systemd web site?
http://churchofsatan.com/
It's been written on The Internet that the systemd developers have horns
growing out of
Am Dienstag, 31. März 2015, 11:57:00 schrieb Udo Rader:
> On 03/31/2015 10:10 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > It is neither a cancer, nor does it infect systems.
>
> "Systemd Gains IP Forwarding, IP Masquerading & Basic Firewall Controls"
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=syst
On Tue 31 March 2015 11:57:00 Udo Rader wrote:
> And when it comes to wording and social (mis)behaviour, I think Lennart
> said it very well for himself in his interview last October:
>
> "The Open Source community is full of assholes"
Perfect excuse to act like one yourself ;-)
[not addressed t
On 03/31/2015 10:10 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> It is neither a cancer, nor does it infect systems.
"Systemd Gains IP Forwarding, IP Masquerading & Basic Firewall Controls"
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=systemd-networkd-IP-Forward
"Systemd Works On PPPoE Support"
http://w
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:16:02AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
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>
> What I perceive as the most pressing social issue around systemd and
> systemd upstream, but also partly systemd Debian packagers is the complete
> refusal to treat some bug reports and some kind of feedback in a way
On Tue 31 March 2015 11:16:02 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> I do not think that any terms like cancer, infection or cabal are any
> helpful there.
NB not *I* invented "systemd cabal" term, it been Poettering himself, in his
blog I linked above.
here again for your convenience:
http://0pointer.ne
Am Dienstag, 31. März 2015, 11:11:31 schrieb Joerg Reisenweber:
> On Tue 31 March 2015 09:59:48 Damien Hunter wrote:
> > Selfish in what way exactly?
>
> maybe in a way where they put their own priorities on top and
> ruthlessly follow them, no matter if that breaks stuff for a lot or
> even maj
Hi Jörg,
Am Dienstag, 31. März 2015, 10:40:14 schrieb Joerg Reisenweber:
> On Tue 31 March 2015 10:10:28 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > So here is my plea to stay to what you actually *really* perceive.
> > Stop
> > assuming intentions. Especially stop assuming bad intentions. I think
> > that syst
On Tue 31 March 2015 09:59:48 Damien Hunter wrote:
> Selfish in what way exactly?
maybe in a way where they put their own priorities on top and ruthlessly
follow them, no matter if that breaks stuff for a lot or even majority of other
users. Selfish as in egozentric and not at all open to any cr
Selfish in what way exactly? Is Systemd closed source?
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 9:53 AM, shraptor shraptor wrote:
> I wouldn't say systemd developers are evil
> merely selfish
>
> On Tuesday, March 31, 2015, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> As a honest feedback:
>>
>> Currently I do not
I wouldn't say systemd developers are evil
merely selfish
On Tuesday, March 31, 2015, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Hi!
>
> As a honest feedback:
>
> Currently I do not read much of the threads here.
>
> Cause again and again I see language like systemd being like a cancer or
> infecting people´s
On Tue 31 March 2015 10:10:28 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> So here is my plea to stay to what you actually *really* perceive. Stop
> assuming intentions. Especially stop assuming bad intentions. I think that
> systemd developers essentially mean it good. They have no evil plans to
> take over the
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