LFS+ZFS+OpenRC personally.
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From: Steve Litt<mailto:sl...@troubleshooters.com>
Sent: 7/16/2015 10:28 AM
To: dng@lists.dyne.org<mailto:dng@lists.dyne.org>
Subject: Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer
On Wed, 15 Jul 20
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 15:07:46 -0400 (EDT)
Rob Owens wrote:
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Steve Litt"
>
> > I did a lot of work with Gentoo over the weekend, and from my
> > perspective, although Gentoo inits with OpenRC, it seems to default
> > to udev, not eudev, and there's way t
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 03:07:46PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> I am of the belief that sysvinit isn't all that bad, and I'd rather use
> it than learn something new. But I've found OpenRC relatively easy to
> understand and work with.
OpenRC actually uses sysvinit; it replaces sysv-rc (the boot sc
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 02:40:49PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
taste. They even have those wonderful "Predictable Network Interface
Names"
(http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/).
Silly me, I thought eth0 was predictable.
If you only have one NIC, yes
- Original Message -
> From: "Steve Litt"
> On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 18:45:19 +0200
> Didier Kryn wrote:
>
>
>> That said, I fully agree with you that udev is the major weapon
>> the systemd team is using to lock themselves in the place, and
>> breaking udev monopoly with vdev is the a
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 18:45:19 +0200
Didier Kryn wrote:
> That said, I fully agree with you that udev is the major weapon
> the systemd team is using to lock themselves in the place, and
> breaking udev monopoly with vdev is the answer.
>
> Didier
I did a lot of work with Gentoo over
On Mon, 7/13/15, Didier Kryn wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Monday, July 13, 2015, 11:45 AM
> That said, I fully agree with you that udev is the major weapon the
> systemd team is using to lock themselves in the place, and br
Le 08/07/2015 21:36, James Powell a écrit :
Systemd is not the answer to GNU/Linux any more than BusyBox is, and
by all technicality, systemd is just an unmatured BusyBox.
James,
I don't understand what you can see in common between Busybox and
Systemd. They have exactly opposite goal
On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 01:36:23PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> By the way, I have no personal knowledge of how many actor sockets a
> listener socket can spawn off, but if I had to guess, I'd imagine 50
> would be way too low a number, if for no other reason than none of my
> current and former ISPs
On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 03:23:25AM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote:
>
>
>
>
> From: James Powell
>> Systemd is not the answer to GNU/Linux any more than BusyBox is, and by all
>> technicality, systemd is just an unmatured BusyBox.
> While there are some analogies, systemd is definitely not an “un
On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 11:01:15AM -0700, James Powell wrote:
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>
> 3. Systemd requires udev to be viable, but udev and GNU/Linux do not need
> systemd to be viable. If we can effectively, and fully, replace udev and
> break the stranglehold it has had over systems for so long, systemd and
: dng@lists.dyne.org<mailto:dng@lists.dyne.org>
Subject: Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer
On Thu, 9 Jul 2015 12:21:51 +0100
Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
> kato...@freaknet.org writes:
> > And as a caveman, I would also very much appreciate a sensible
> > quoting, even if it s
On Thu, 9 Jul 2015 12:21:51 +0100
Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
> kato...@freaknet.org writes:
> > And as a caveman, I would also very much appreciate a sensible
> > quoting, even if it seems that this little thing has become too
> > harsh to ask and too hard to obtain in the last few years...
>
> AOL
On Thu, 9 Jul 2015 12:04:27 +0100
Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
> Steve Litt writes:
> > Context? Who said anything about fifty?
>
> T.J. Duchene about a half-hour before my posting, I think.
Ah, sorry, that explains it, I don't receive his emails.
Anyway, I'd consider it a personal favor to myself
On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 03:23:33PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 03:36:15PM +0200, Teodoro Santoni wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
> > > And as a caveman, I would also very much appreciate a sensible
> > > quoting, even if it seems that this little thing has become too harsh
> > > to ask and
On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 03:36:15PM +0200, Teodoro Santoni wrote:
[cut]
> > And as a caveman, I would also very much appreciate a sensible
> > quoting, even if it seems that this little thing has become too harsh
> > to ask and too hard to obtain in the last few years...
>
> Believe me, the text/
On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 09:52:07AM +0100, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
> Fifty processes, you say...
>
> ftp.cdrom.com was a single freebsd server, and it served around 10k
> simultaneous users in the nineties. There were 10k processes, each of which
> was actively performing disk and network I/O.
>
>
On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 12:12:37PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 12:04:27PM +0100, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
> > Steve Litt writes:
> > >Context? Who said anything about fifty?
> >
> > T.J. Duchene about a half-hour before my posting, I think.
> >
> > I might be wrong. The quoting
On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 02:34:53PM +0200, Philip Lacroix wrote:
> Am 09.07.2015 13:12 schrieb KatolaZ:
> >That's why I, the caveman, has always "suggested" to accept only text
> >emails in public MLs, and send the rest to /dev/null, including html
> >and attachments...
> >
> >And as a caveman, I wo
Am 09.07.2015 13:12 schrieb KatolaZ:
That's why I, the caveman, has always "suggested" to accept only text
emails in public MLs, and send the rest to /dev/null, including html
and attachments...
And as a caveman, I would also very much appreciate a sensible
quoting, even if it seems that this li
kato...@freaknet.org writes:
And as a caveman, I would also very much appreciate a sensible
quoting, even if it seems that this little thing has become too harsh
to ask and too hard to obtain in the last few years...
AOL. How about filtering away all mail whose subject already contains [DNG]
b
On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 12:04:27PM +0100, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
> Steve Litt writes:
> >Context? Who said anything about fifty?
>
> T.J. Duchene about a half-hour before my posting, I think.
>
> I might be wrong. The quoting was difficult to decipher, since that
> message uses HTML colour codin
Steve Litt writes:
Context? Who said anything about fifty?
T.J. Duchene about a half-hour before my posting, I think.
I might be wrong. The quoting was difficult to decipher, since that message
uses HTML colour coding to indicate quoting, and the're are quoted blocks
from James Powell, who i
On Thu, 9 Jul 2015 09:52:07 +0100
Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
> Fifty processes, you say...
>
> ftp.cdrom.com was a single freebsd server, and it served around 10k
> simultaneous users in the nineties. There were 10k processes, each of
> which was actively performing disk and network I/O.
>
> Ther
Fifty processes, you say...
ftp.cdrom.com was a single freebsd server, and it served around 10k
simultaneous users in the nineties. There were 10k processes, each of which
was actively performing disk and network I/O.
There is a limit to how many processes one can run on a single server
with
From: James Powell [mailto:james4...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 2:37 PM
To: T.J. Duchene; 'dng'
Subject: RE: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer
I also do not think recreating SVCHOST is wise. I followed Windows since 2000
and since then SVCHOST has pull
On Wed, 08 Jul 2015, T.J. Duchene wrote:
>The management of many of the binary distributions has fallen to
>groups of people rather obsessed with driving Linux as a competitor
>to Windows.
this is exactly how I see it and the reason why projects like GNOME or
GStreamer made me less a
g the same work.
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From: T.J. Duchene<mailto:t.j.duch...@gmail.com>
Sent: 7/8/2015 11:06 AM
To: 'James Powell'<mailto:james4...@hotmail.com>;
'dng'<mailto:dng@lists.dyne.org>
Subject: RE: [DNG] sy
J. Duchene<mailto:t.j.duch...@gmail.com>
Sent: 7/8/2015 11:06 AM
To: 'James Powell'<mailto:james4...@hotmail.com>;
'dng'<mailto:dng@lists.dyne.org>
Subject: RE: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer
From: James Powell [mailto:james4...@hotmail.com
From: James Powell [mailto:james4...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 12:27 PM
To: T.J. Duchene
Subject: RE: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer
I think if Devuan can break the dependency, it can prove more than most people
realize.
We will certainly see, and it
I'm still hoping some of our user friendly non-systemd distributions remain
systemd-free.
My main concern is vdev. If Jude can miraculously break the seemingly
indestructible spine of systemd, which is technically udev, the whole thing
will collapse. Without udev, what hold does systemd even ha
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