I'm still hoping some of our user friendly non-systemd distributions remain systemd-free.
My main concern is vdev. If Jude can miraculously break the seemingly indestructible spine of systemd, which is technically udev, the whole thing will collapse. Without udev, what hold does systemd even have over GNU/Linux? Kdbus becomes instantly irrelevant and systemd becomes completely an after-though. Regards, -Jim ________________________________ From: Gregory Nowak<mailto:g...@gregn.net> Sent: 7/6/2015 6:04 PM To: dng@lists.dyne.org<mailto:dng@lists.dyne.org> Subject: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 05:31:26PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I'm running wheezy on my server. > The only package I have that contain 'systemd' in their names are: > > libystemd-login0 > > I don't find it sneaking other systemd things onto my system when I do > the usual security upgrades. Maybe if I were to install gnome it might > be different. > > I got rid of libsystemd0 (or whatever it is called) a while ago. > > I use sysvinit Same here. I had libsystemd-login0 installed on all my wheezy boxes, but was able to remove it from all machines except the one with gnome. Removing that wanted to also remove dbus, and avahi-daemon, which I didn't have a problem with. On the other hand, the box with gnome installed has both libsystem-daemon0, and libsystemd-login0 automatically installed. Attempting to remove those would gut a large part of gnome, so I left them alone. They must have been there for a good while, perhaps from when I upgraded to wheezy. I keep track of what apt-get dist-upgrade does on wheezy, and don't recall it suggesting to install new packages with systemd in there names on wheezy at any time since jessie became stable. The fact that gnome on wheezy seems to require libsystemd-daemon0, and libsystemd-login0 brings up an interesting question. What will happen when I attempt to upgrade this system to devuan stable? My plan was to do the upgrade, get rid of the desktop task post-upgrade, and install xfce. Will that still work? Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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