Re: [DNG] minor packaging quibbles in devuan cli

2016-03-23 Thread Rainer Weikusat
[...] > scripts trying to "brute-force" usernames and passwords do exist As that's potentially useful information: So far, I've encountered two systems which were successfully 'broken into' (sort of) by automated ssh scanners (term). In both cases, this happened because of an accidentally exposed

Re: [DNG] minor packaging quibbles in devuan cli

2016-03-23 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Daniel Reurich writes: > On 23/03/16 11:35, Adam Borowski wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 03:53:26PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: >>> Daniel Reurich writes: whether you wan to create a root password is prompted for in the installation. If you choose not to then sudo will be installe

Re: [DNG] minor packaging quibbles in devuan cli

2016-03-22 Thread Daniel Reurich
On 23/03/16 12:02, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:44:30AM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote: >> On 23/03/16 11:35, Adam Borowski wrote: >>> I hope you know that, since jessie, password remote logins for >>> root are disabled unless you enable them yourself. >>> >> I think this is prob

Re: [DNG] minor packaging quibbles in devuan cli

2016-03-22 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Adam Borowski writes: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:44:30AM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote: >> On 23/03/16 11:35, Adam Borowski wrote: >> > I hope you know that, since jessie, password remote logins for root are >> > disabled unless you enable them yourself. >> > >> I think this is problematic and sh

Re: [DNG] minor packaging quibbles in devuan cli

2016-03-22 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:44:30AM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote: > On 23/03/16 11:35, Adam Borowski wrote: > > I hope you know that, since jessie, password remote logins for root are > > disabled unless you enable them yourself. > > > I think this is problematic and should be prompted for during th

Re: [DNG] minor packaging quibbles in devuan cli

2016-03-22 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Adam Borowski writes: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 03:53:26PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> Daniel Reurich writes: >> > whether you wan to create a root password is prompted for in the >> > installation. If you choose not to then sudo will be installed >> > otherwise not. >> >> This seems a bit

Re: [DNG] minor packaging quibbles in devuan cli

2016-03-22 Thread KatolaZ
On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 10:44:24PM +0300, Mitt Green wrote: > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > Because most users aren't experts, > > and those who are can usually figure > > out how to choose the expert install. > > After all, they are experts. > > Yes, but, at the end of the day, isn't Devuan > suppo

Re: [DNG] minor packaging quibbles in devuan cli

2016-03-22 Thread Daniel Reurich
On 23/03/16 11:35, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 03:53:26PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> Daniel Reurich writes: >>> whether you wan to create a root password is prompted for in the >>> installation. If you choose not to then sudo will be installed >>> otherwise not. >> >> Thi

Re: [DNG] minor packaging quibbles in devuan cli

2016-03-22 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 03:53:26PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Daniel Reurich writes: > > whether you wan to create a root password is prompted for in the > > installation. If you choose not to then sudo will be installed > > otherwise not. > > This seems a bit arbitrary: System I manage usu

Re: [DNG] minor packaging quibbles in devuan cli

2016-03-22 Thread Mitt Green
Hendrik Boom wrote: > Because most users aren't experts, > and those who are can usually figure > out how to choose the expert install. > After all, they are experts. Yes, but, at the end of the day, isn't Devuan supposed to be a distribution for those "experts"? "Most users", I reckon, don't ca

Re: [DNG] minor packaging quibbles in devuan cli

2016-03-22 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 07:13:50PM +0300, Mitt Green wrote: > Daniel Reurich wrote: > > > *buntu users apparently.. > > *buntu users use *buntu :) > > > Indeed. And you have that option to > > skip creating users in the "expert > > install" method. > > So, this "expert install" has much > more

Re: [DNG] minor packaging quibbles in devuan cli

2016-03-22 Thread Mitt Green
Daniel Reurich wrote: > *buntu users apparently.. *buntu users use *buntu :) > Indeed. And you have that option to > skip creating users in the "expert > install" method. So, this "expert install" has much more capabilities, why isn't it the default one? Mitt _

Re: [DNG] minor packaging quibbles in devuan cli

2016-03-22 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Daniel Reurich writes: > On 23/03/16 04:23, Mitt Green wrote: >> aitor_czr wrote:‎ >> >>> If you leave empty root's password, >>> the user created during the installation >>> will have sudo permissions and then >>> sudo will be installed. >> > whether you wan to create a root password is prompte

Re: [DNG] minor packaging quibbles in devuan cli

2016-03-22 Thread Daniel Reurich
On 23/03/16 04:23, Mitt Green wrote: > aitor_czr wrote:‎ > >> If you leave empty root's password, >> the user created during the installation >> will have sudo permissions and then >> sudo will be installed. > whether you wan to create a root password is prompted for in the installation. If you

Re: [DNG] minor packaging quibbles in devuan cli

2016-03-22 Thread Mitt Green
aitor_czr wrote:‎ > If you leave empty root's password, > the user created during the installation > will have sudo permissions and then > sudo will be installed. But who would ever leave their root password empty? I actually prefer to add a user after the installation and initial setup of the p

Re: [DNG] minor packaging quibbles in devuan cli

2016-03-22 Thread aitor_czr
Hi Mitt, On 03/21/2016 09:58 PM, Mitt Green wrote: Two minor annoyance issues, >and one curiosity, in today's install of >devuan-cli: [...] >1] sudo is not installed by default ‎ Last time I installed Debian (it was Wheezy probably a year ago), I didn't see sudo in the default Xfce installa

Re: [DNG] minor packaging quibbles in devuan cli

2016-03-21 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 04:21:15PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote: > Two minor annoyance issues, and one curiosity, in today's install of > devuan-cli: > > 1] sudo is not installed by default Why should it be? It's a package of priority "optional"; only those of "important" and usually (unless you unc

Re: [DNG] minor packaging quibbles in devuan cli

2016-03-21 Thread Go Linux
On Mon, 3/21/16, Boruch Baum wrote: Subject: [DNG] minor packaging quibbles in devuan cli To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Monday, March 21, 2016, 3:21 PM Two minor annoyance issues, and one curiosity, in today's install of devuan-cli: 1] sudo is not installed by default -

Re: [DNG] minor packaging quibbles in devuan cli

2016-03-21 Thread Mitt Green
Boruch Baum wrote: > Two minor annoyance issues, > and one curiosity, in today's install of > devuan-cli: [...] > 1] sudo is not installed by default ‎ Last time I installed Debian (it was Wheezy probably a year ago), I didn't see sudo in the default Xfce installation. I suppose, 'tis still not