On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 at 03:59:17 +0200
Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 06:13:30PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
>> So, anyway, X11 somewhat sucks. (Will Wayland suck less? Don't hold
>> your breath waiting.)
>
> On one hand, X desperately needed a clean rewrite, at least 30 years ago.
Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl):
> On one hand, X desperately needed a clean rewrite, at least 30 years ago.
> On the other... despite some experienced X people being among Wayland
> developers, there's too much bizarre stuff like:
>
> https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/Wayland/Primar
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 06:13:30PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> So, anyway, X11 somewhat sucks. (Will Wayland suck less? Don't hold
> your breath waiting.)
On one hand, X desperately needed a clean rewrite, at least 30 years ago.
On the other... despite some experienced X people being among Wayland
I meant to include this:
[UNIX-HATER's Handbook:]
> Said volume, a flawed minor classic of the rant genre, has always had
> fans in Unixdom, including yr. present correspondent. It's a
> compilation of postings to the old (long-gone, I think) mailing list
> UNIX-HATERS, mostly sent by disgruntle
On 2017-08-23 20:13, Rick Moen wrote:
Anyway, you have invented in your mind a problem that (in my considered
view) doesn't exist, tried to present a really terrible solution to the
alleged problem, and (not _just_ in my considered view, but observably)
gotten zero pickup.
Chuckled when I rea
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
> I looked this up, and the only reference I saw was
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SLiM#Environments, and that didn't
> make it sticky, it just made your .xinitrc DEFAULTSESSION the default
> if you chose something outside of the .xinitrc ca
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:10:39 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Steve may or may not have noticed that I also did answer his other
> question: For a user to make a system's choice of window manager
> 'sticky' in SLiM, he/she need only edit ~/.xinitrc . Thus, each user
> gets to declare a preference.
I
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
> > Uh-huh. Seen that.
> > https://xkcd.com/927/
>
> That's not relevant to this particular discussion, as it discusses a
> standard, not a term to unify two terms that, at least from a certain
> viewpoint, are the same thing.
I believe the applic
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:17:58 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Stephen Dennison (stephe...@gmail.com):
>
> > No, I mean, I literally don't understand the use of the words chosen
> > and how they're supposed to modify each other. Based on your
> > interpretation, my guesswork of his intended usag
Quoting Stephen Dennison (stephe...@gmail.com):
> No, I mean, I literally don't understand the use of the words chosen
> and how they're supposed to modify each other. Based on your
> interpretation, my guesswork of his intended usage of the acronym was
> more or less accurate, but I don't unders
Steve Litt [2017-08-23 18:03]:
> You just said it in the first sentence of the preceding paragraph: Why
> not substitute the phrase "grapical environment" for "session"? If
> "graphical environment" isn't perfect, it's a hell of a lot better than
> either "session", "window manager" or "desktop en
Steve Litt [2017-08-23 18:00]:
>> "Window Manager" would be the best, I think. I agree that "Session"
>> can be misleading. How many users would know what you mean by
>> "GOSFUI", a not at all intuitive and far too long abbreviation almost
>> never used outside of this mailing list?
> Then we sho
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Stephen Dennison (stephe...@gmail.com):
>
>> A user interface that faces a graphical operating system... I don't
>> understand the choice of words picked here. I followed the link but
>> it didn't really help. I'm not sure which words a
Quoting Stephen Dennison (stephe...@gmail.com):
> A user interface that faces a graphical operating system... I don't
> understand the choice of words picked here. I followed the link but
> it didn't really help. I'm not sure which words are supposed to be
> modifying which other words.
Here's
On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Steve Litt
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Fvwm is a lightweight GOSFUI
> (Graphical Operating System Facing User
> Interface (http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/gosfui.htm)) that is
>
A user interface that faces a graphical operating system... I don't
understand the choic
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
> Then we should think of a better word to represent the union of window
> managers and desktop environments.
No, you have completely misdefined the problem, and this is why you
continually just raise noise on the matter and not help anything.
An
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
> You just said it in the first sentence of the preceding paragraph: Why
> not substitute the phrase "grapical environment" for "session"?
Um, how about because that would be factually mistaken?
It would be an excellent idea if you were to poke ar
Quoting Michael Siegel (mi...@malbolge.net):
> What is being chosen there, is actually a profile for the graphical
> environment. So, neither "window manager" nor "desktop environment"
> really fit. You could say "profile", but "session" seems to be the
> (de-facto) standard term. Also, it makes s
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:53:43 +0200
Michael Siegel wrote:
> Am 23.08.2017 um 09:31 schrieb Harald Arnesen:
> > Steve Litt [2017-08-22 23:59]:
> >
> >> As far as #1, what the hell does "session" mean? A session is
> >> something that runs for awhile, and usually the implication is
> >> it's alre
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:31:45 +0200
Harald Arnesen wrote:
> Steve Litt [2017-08-22 23:59]:
>
> > As far as #1, what the hell does "session" mean? A session is
> > something that runs for awhile, and usually the implication is it's
> > already running. I think the word "session" needs to be change
Am 23.08.2017 um 09:31 schrieb Harald Arnesen:
> Steve Litt [2017-08-22 23:59]:
>
>> As far as #1, what the hell does "session" mean? A session is something
>> that runs for awhile, and usually the implication is it's already
>> running. I think the word "session" needs to be changed to "GOSFUI".
Steve Litt [2017-08-22 23:59]:
> As far as #1, what the hell does "session" mean? A session is something
> that runs for awhile, and usually the implication is it's already
> running. I think the word "session" needs to be changed to "GOSFUI". If
> you'd rather not use a word directly created to h
I usually fire up fvwm for the rare instances that an
app is awkward using tiles under i3.
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On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 16:17:37 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> But the question you really wanted to ask is: How do you add fvwm to
> the things SLiM offers the user at login?
No, that happened automatically once I installed the fvwm package with
apt-get.
SteveT
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Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
> Hi all,
>
> Fvwm is a lightweight window manager
Fixed it for you. ;->
> I found a couple issues with Devuan Jessie's Display Manager screen
For reference, the default X11 Display Manager in Devuan is 'SLiM', as
you guessed.
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