Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-10-29 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting goli...@devuan.org (goli...@devuan.org): > This email does not address the content of this email but rather > something very strange that came through in the header: > > https://dev1galaxy.org/files/cruft.png > > This started with the above email from Steve. I'll retain for a while that

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-10-29 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting goli...@devuan.org (goli...@devuan.org): > This is what arrived with your above reply: > > From Hendrik Boom Add contact > SenderDng Add contact > Todng@lists.dyne.org Add contact > Date Today 14:56 > Mailing List href="mailto:dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org?subject=help";

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-10-24 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng
Hi golinux, goli...@devuan.org writes: > On 2019-10-23 14:56, Hendrik Boom wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 02:06:32PM -0500, goli...@devuan.org wrote: >>> On 2019-10-22 23:20, Steve Litt wrote: >>> > On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 11:44:11 -0500 >>> > goli...@devuan.org wrote: >>> > >>> >>> This email doe

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-10-23 Thread golinux
On 2019-10-23 14:56, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 02:06:32PM -0500, goli...@devuan.org wrote: On 2019-10-22 23:20, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 11:44:11 -0500 > goli...@devuan.org wrote: > This email does not address the content of this email but rather something ver

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-10-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
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Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-10-23 Thread golinux
On 2019-10-23 14:06, goli...@devuan.org wrote: On 2019-10-22 23:20, Steve Litt wrote: On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 11:44:11 -0500 goli...@devuan.org wrote: This email does not address the content of this email but rather something very strange that came through in the header: https://dev1galaxy.org/f

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-10-23 Thread golinux
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Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-10-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 11:44:11 -0500 goli...@devuan.org wrote: > On 2019-10-10 13:52, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > > On 2019-10-10 13:49, Steve Litt wrote: > >> On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 05:16:19 +1100 > >> Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: > >> > >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >>> Hash: SHA2

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-10-14 Thread golinux
On 2019-10-10 13:52, goli...@devuan.org wrote: On 2019-10-10 13:49, Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 05:16:19 +1100 Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi Steve, First off, I fully support your initiative. On 9/10/19 5:25 pm, Steve Litt wrot

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-10-10 Thread golinux
On 2019-10-10 13:49, Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 05:16:19 +1100 Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi Steve, First off, I fully support your initiative. On 9/10/19 5:25 pm, Steve Litt wrote: > I can't give you proof, but I can give a st

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-10-10 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 05:16:19 +1100 Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Hi Steve, > > First off, I fully support your initiative. > > On 9/10/19 5:25 pm, Steve Litt wrote: > > I can't give you proof, but I can give a strong piece of evidence:

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-10-10 Thread Andrew McGlashan via Dng
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi Steve, First off, I fully support your initiative. On 9/10/19 5:25 pm, Steve Litt wrote: > I can't give you proof, but I can give a strong piece of evidence: > > http://asay.blogspot.com/2006/10/interview-with-red-hat-cto-brian.html > I think

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-10-08 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 19:40:46 +0200 Bernard Rosset via Dng wrote: > Although all very interesting theories (even some being plausible), > and although I am inclined to believe any (*any*!) explanation, even > the oddest, as to *why* this systemd monstruosity exists, all I see > here is conjecture

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-10-08 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 18:39:19 -0400 Dan Purgert wrote: > On Oct 01, 2019, Steve Litt wrote: > > [...] > > [1] In 2014 I probably had almost as many supporters on Debian-User > > as haters, but my supporters all left, leaving only the haters. > > I don't hate you, and technically am subscribed t

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-10-08 Thread Dan Purgert
On Oct 01, 2019, Steve Litt wrote: > [...] > [1] In 2014 I probably had almost as many supporters on Debian-User as > haters, but my supporters all left, leaving only the haters. I don't hate you, and technically am subscribed to debian-user ... -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/d

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-10-08 Thread Bernard Rosset via Dng
The facts with systemd is this. RedHat's business model is to sell support for their OS. Only problem is that Linux is pretty stable on it's own. No problems means no support money. That's why they must replace a perfectly good init system that's worked perfectly for multiple decades with somethin

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-10-08 Thread g4sra via Dng
No the intent is not to infest GNU/Linux with bugs. RedHat's aims have not changed from when they first introduced SystemD and they are achieving them on target which is why IBM bought in. It is to become the only Distro regardless of name, in effect the SystemD Operating System. Canonical had be

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-10-07 Thread tom
On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 20:42:01 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 18:01:11 +0300 > Dimitris via Dng wrote: > > > of similar crap.. (even did so for nazis.) > > Hi Dimitris, > > I'd like to ask you a favor. Could you please no longer mention the > IBM->nazi connection? > > The IBM-nazi

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-10-02 Thread Eric Pozharski
On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 02:58:18PM +0200, John Crisp via Dng wrote: > On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 19:34:15 -0400 > Steve Litt wrote: > > Bothering? > > > > It's their job to receive letters from the public, and any half way > > smart business values feedback. *SKIP* > Steves letter may have no effect, b

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-10-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 18:01:11 +0300 Dimitris via Dng wrote: > if you wanna petition someone/something, might be better off > petitioning Debian people/community so as to get fully compatible > with other init systems, and benefit the whole debian-based > ecosystem, including Devuan.. The precedi

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-10-01 Thread Dimitris via Dng
systemd is JUST a bloated piece of software, and IBM makes/sells tons of similar crap.. (even did so for nazis.) personally, i don't mind systemd being around as an option, just don't want it on systems i manage. but, that's what init diversity is all about. choices. now you want to ask IBM for a

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-10-01 Thread Simon Walter
On 10/1/19 12:57 AM, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > On 2019-09-30 09:27, Simon Walter wrote: >> On 9/29/19 12:36 PM, goli...@devuan.org wrote: >>> Sorry Steve . . . I think this idea is naive, ill-advised and a tactical >>> error that could have very real, unintended consequences. >> >> So that the

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-10-01 Thread John Crisp via Dng
On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 19:34:15 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > > Bothering? > > It's their job to receive letters from the public, and any half way > smart business values feedback. > I was going to reply to some of the other negative replies to Steves mail, but I then decided that just fuels the prob

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-10-01 Thread Bernard Rosset via Dng
On 2019-09-30 18:34, Steve Litt wrote: It's their job to receive letters from the public Who does "they" refers to, exactly? and any half way smart business values feedback. Out from any idealized vision, the question would be: what is the incentive? From a pragmatic observation of the real

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-09-30 Thread golinux
On 2019-09-30 18:34, Steve Litt wrote: It's their job to receive letters from the public, and any half way smart business values feedback. Really? What planet are you living on?!! Monsanto won't close it down after hundreds of lawsuits and millions (billions) of $$$ in settlements for inju

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-09-30 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 14:39:27 +0200 Hans Kramer wrote: > On 29.09.19 05:36, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > > > Sorry Steve . . . I think this idea is naive, ill-advised and a > > tactical error that could have very real, unintended consequences. > > I do hope that neither Devuan nor s6 was mentioned

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-09-30 Thread Adrian Zaugg
Hi all Steve's initiative can in deed have some good effect and it's normal political work he initiated. Nothing to blame him for! There can be other than technical solutions to the problems that systemd imposed. Regards, Adrian. ___ Dng mailing list D

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-09-30 Thread Hans Kramer
On 29.09.19 05:36, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > Sorry Steve . . . I think this idea is naive, ill-advised and a tactical > error that could have very real, unintended consequences. I do hope that > neither Devuan nor s6 was mentioned in the letter that you sent. > I don't get that as well, I

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-09-30 Thread golinux
On 2019-09-30 09:27, Simon Walter wrote: On 9/29/19 12:36 PM, goli...@devuan.org wrote: Sorry Steve . . . I think this idea is naive, ill-advised and a tactical error that could have very real, unintended consequences. So that the ignorant among us can understand learn, do you mind telling us

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-09-30 Thread Simon Walter
On 9/29/19 12:36 PM, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > Sorry Steve . . . I think this idea is naive, ill-advised and a tactical > error that could have very real, unintended consequences. So that the ignorant among us can understand learn, do you mind telling us why? Thanks, Simon __

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-09-29 Thread Bruce Perens via Dng
Steve has a perfect right to do this if he wants. However I don't believe it's going to be effective, since red hat will continue to operate independently, so it has the same management as before. I think the most instructive thing I've seen so far is the fact that SpaceX does not use it in their

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-09-29 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 20:54:09 +0200 Evilham via Dng wrote: > On dg., set. 29 2019, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > > > On 2019-09-28 21:32, Steve Litt wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I just wrote IBM asking them to reconsider systemd, given that > >> IBM's > >> business model is different from the o

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-09-29 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 00:29:59 + Aitor wrote: > Hi Steve, > > El 29/9/19 a las 2:32, Steve Litt escribió: > > Hi all, > > > > I just wrote IBM asking them to reconsider systemd, given that IBM's > > business model is different from the old Red Hat's. > > > > It took me 3.5 hours: 2 hours to fi

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-09-29 Thread Aitor
Hi Steve, El 29/9/19 a las 2:32, Steve Litt escribió: Hi all, I just wrote IBM asking them to reconsider systemd, given that IBM's business model is different from the old Red Hat's. It took me 3.5 hours: 2 hours to find valid addresses of Todd Moore, VP IBM Open Technologies and Virginia M. R

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-09-29 Thread Evilham via Dng
On dg., set. 29 2019, goli...@devuan.org wrote: On 2019-09-28 21:32, Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, I just wrote IBM asking them to reconsider systemd, given that IBM's business model is different from the old Red Hat's. [cut] I encourage all of you to write IBM. If I'm right and it helps,

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-09-28 Thread golinux
On 2019-09-28 21:32, Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, I just wrote IBM asking them to reconsider systemd, given that IBM's business model is different from the old Red Hat's. [cut] I encourage all of you to write IBM. If I'm right and it helps, this would prevent future incompatibilities requirin