Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

KatolaZ wrote: > I am working instead to include a runlevel with support for espeakout > and brltty, which will require just a few megabytes and will be far > more useful than zenity. Glad to hear of this. I consider that support for the blind linux user community should be a high priority. > HN

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

I get the reluctance to mix dists. It's also not good to patch sytem components without good reason (there was in that case) However, live-* has always been a special case, designed to be back-compatible and not have other "unstable deps". They even said they won't support anyone using older versi

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 01:15:40PM +0100, David Hare wrote: > KatolaZ, FYI, I noticed your iso has empty /dev and a patched > /usr/share/initramfs-tools/init (and uses an older > refracta-snapshot).. > > That patch was a workaround in refracta-snapshot for bug(s) which only > last week got officia

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

KatolaZ, FYI, I noticed your iso has empty /dev and a patched /usr/share/initramfs-tools/init (and uses an older refracta-snapshot).. That patch was a workaround in refracta-snapshot for bug(s) which only last week got officially noted. The original file is still there but renamed (this only affec

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 03:22:21PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 14 May 2016 17:09:34 -0400 > ". fsmithred" wrote: > > > Zenity is somewhat of a dependency hog. In Refracta, we abandoned it a > > couple years ago and replaced it with Yad. > > fsmithred, > > Thanks for reminding me of Zenit

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Sun, 15 May 2016 00:00:08 +0100 David Hare wrote: > That said, a "GUI Dialog" doesn't really fit a minimal system like > this anyway. I wouldn't count on that. For instance, Edward could have written his network-manager killer in a shellscript plus Zenity or Yad, instead of Lazarus. If he ha

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Sat, 14 May 2016 17:09:34 -0400 ". fsmithred" wrote: > Zenity is somewhat of a dependency hog. In Refracta, we abandoned it a > couple years ago and replaced it with Yad. fsmithred, Thanks for reminding me of Zenity, and informing me of Yad. These programs enable my shellscripts to present a

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 08:28:18PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: [cut] > > If besides basic sound support you can also add espeak/espeak-data, > and espeakup, that should give speakup users another accessible livecd > choice, > assuming it is possible to boot this into a text console. I'll throw >

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 12:56:53AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > I don't know whether you are correct or not :) It includes all the > drivers shipped with the standatrd Devuan kernel (including alsa), but > being a minimal image it does not have alsa-utils or other > sound-related amenities (yet!). > >

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 01:48:50AM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: [cut] > > I forgot 'dselect'... > It's already there, in the i386 image, but I will add it also to the amd64. > ... and that nauseating rotten mustard color... > I have always used it in B/W, so I don't know which rotten mustard colo

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 04:48:32PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 09:25:10PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > OK guys, I am happy to announce that after having put the default > > initramfs on a strict diet (basically, removing useless modules and > > libraries unnecessary at boot),

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

Hi KatolaZ, El 14/05/16 a las 22:41, KatolaZ escribió: OK guys, I am happy to announce that after having put the default initramfs on a strict diet (basically, removing useless modules and libraries unnecessary at boot), the unofficial minimal live is able to boot on just 96 MB of RAM:) We cou

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 09:25:10PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > OK guys, I am happy to announce that after having put the default > initramfs on a strict diet (basically, removing useless modules and > libraries unnecessary at boot), the unofficial minimal live is able to > boot on just 96 MB of RAM :)

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

+1 for ditching Zenity in all cases. It's gnome/gtk3 dependencies have become monstrous and has very little in the way of new features in recent "development". Yad has been described as "zenity on steroids" but does not depend on a load of gnome. Yad is actually now in Debian Sid. We've been

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 05:09:34PM -0400, . fsmithred wrote: > Zenity is somewhat of a dependency hog. In Refracta, we abandoned it a > couple years ago and replaced it with Yad. > > In devuan beta, zenity wants to pull in another 55mb of packages. In my > current refracta-jessie install, it wants

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

Zenity is somewhat of a dependency hog. In Refracta, we abandoned it a couple years ago and replaced it with Yad. In devuan beta, zenity wants to pull in another 55mb of packages. In my current refracta-jessie install, it wants to pull in 367mb of packages. Yad pulls in nothing extra in devuan bet

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 01:53:25PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: [cut] > > > > > Far as I know it's freed after switch_root but I assume the point here > > is what to do for very low-ram systems.. > > > > > > Well, I believe that most of the standard stuff in the initramfs can > be discarded in our

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On 05/13/2016 04:30 PM, David Hare wrote: > > http://paste.debian.net/683478 > Great! Would you consider putting it on https://talk.devuan.org/c/study? If you need help, please tell me. I guess you can replace line 17: if ! (dpkg -l | grep "^ii" | grep "grub-efi-amd64" |grep -v "bin"); then

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

El 14/05/16 a las 17:30, KatolaZ escribió: On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 01:35:51PM +0100, David Hare wrote: > >Concretely: > > > > 199,6 MiB (209.297.408 bytes) > > > >Isn't it? > >actually, here it shows 198.1MB (207,740,928 B) > >However my repack script is currently set to remove *.pyo and *.p

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 01:35:51PM +0100, David Hare wrote: > >Concretely: > > > > 199,6 MiB (209.297.408 bytes) > > > >Isn't it? > > actually, here it shows 198.1MB (207,740,928 B) > > However my repack script is currently set to remove *.pyo and *.pyc > (to save space). Also, i never seem to g

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 01:25:02PM +0100, David Hare wrote: > The standard Debian initrd has grown enormously since the days of squeeze.. > > The devuan-minimal iso's initrd is 27.1 MB gzip-compressed, 18.6 > xz-compressed and.. 186.1MB unpacked! Yep, that is the main problem, indeed. I am curren

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

>Concretely: > > 199,6 MiB (209.297.408 bytes) > >Isn't it? actually, here it shows 198.1MB (207,740,928 B) However my repack script is currently set to remove *.pyo and *.pyc (to save space). Also, i never seem to get exactly the same result from mksquashfs, even with exactly the same input fil

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

The standard Debian initrd has grown enormously since the days of squeeze.. The devuan-minimal iso's initrd is 27.1 MB gzip-compressed, 18.6 xz-compressed and.. 186.1MB unpacked! Far as I know it's freed after switch_root but I assume the point here is what to do for very low-ram systems.. D O

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

El 14/05/16 a las 12:45, David Hare escribió: KatolaZ, you may be interested to know, I repacked your iso to 199MB (with no actual system modifications) by using xz compression for the squashfs and initrd. The result booted fine in qemu. The extra decompression time is only a few seconds. Co

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

I was able to boot the minimal i386 in virtualbox with 175mb ram, but not with 170 or less. I'm a little surprised that it wants all that. Back in the days of Squeeze, I was able to boot an older version of Refracta (with e17, put together by meandean) and whatever version of Antix was current the

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

I look forward to your findings on initrd and RAM. Another point of interest, I repacked again with the uefi files (4MB) generated by the script I posted yesterday. It boots efi-mode in qemu (/sys/firmware/efi is present) D On 14 May 2016 at 12:05, KatolaZ wrote: > On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 11:45:

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 11:45:31AM +0100, David Hare wrote: > KatolaZ, you may be interested to know, I repacked your iso to 199MB > (with no actual system modifications) by using xz compression for the > squashfs and initrd. The result booted fine in qemu. The extra > decompression time is only a

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

KatolaZ, you may be interested to know, I repacked your iso to 199MB (with no actual system modifications) by using xz compression for the squashfs and initrd. The result booted fine in qemu. The extra decompression time is only a few seconds. On 14 May 2016 at 08:34, aitor_czr wrote: > > > On 05

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On 05/13/2016 12:06 AM, Florian Zieboll wrote: Sorry for my two latest emails. The date was wrong again... It's due >to the BIOS of one concrete computer. Hi Aitor, if you run openntpd, you could set the '-s' flag under DAEMON_OPTS in /etc/default/openntpd to force time synchronization at bo

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

I'm working on a script to generate the files to support efi boot with generic shell commands. This one works in qemu and booted an actual cd on a uefi machine. This may be of interest for those doing live builds or installers. http://paste.debian.net/683478 This should also work for a fat-fomatte

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 01:46:20AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: >> David Hare wrote: >> > This and similar live iso's only work here in qemu with e.g. " -m 384". >> > >> > My hardware can't handle kvm. >> >> Even running as root? >> >Well, it should be sufficient to ># chmod 666 /dev/kvm >in order to

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

KatolaZ wrote: Joel Roth wrote: > > You can also join the user to the kvm group: > > > > ls -l /dev/kvm > > > > crw-rw+ 1 root kvm 10, 232 May 11 11:02 /dev/kvm > > > > btw, 'c' means character mode device. Does anyone know what > > the '+' suffix means, and how you set it? > > > > The "

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 02:11:53AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: [cut] > > An article points out that allowing users to allocate > arbitrary amounts of physical memory may not be the best > policy in some environments. > > You can also join the user to the kvm group: > > ls -l /dev/kvm > > crw-rw-

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:56:01PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 01:46:20AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > > David Hare wrote: > > > This and similar live iso's only work here in qemu with e.g. " -m 384". > > > > > > My hardware can't handle kvm. > > > > Even running as root? > > >

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 01:46:20AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > David Hare wrote: > > This and similar live iso's only work here in qemu with e.g. " -m 384". > > > > My hardware can't handle kvm. > > Even running as root? > Well, it should be sufficient to # chmod 666 /dev/kvm in order to provid

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

David Hare wrote: > This and similar live iso's only work here in qemu with e.g. " -m 384". > > My hardware can't handle kvm. Even running as root? > D > -- Joel Roth ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/m

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

This and similar live iso's only work here in qemu with e.g. " -m 384". My hardware can't handle kvm. D On 13 May 2016 at 10:16, Jaromil wrote: > > > ahoy, > > On Wed, 11 May 2016, KatolaZ wrote: > >> The results of those experiments can be found here: >> >> http://devuan.kalos.mine.nu/ > > h

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

ahoy, On Wed, 11 May 2016, KatolaZ wrote: > The results of those experiments can be found here: > > http://devuan.kalos.mine.nu/ happy to see this :^) one Q: can you change the format of the list here http://devuan.kalos.mine.nu/iso/old/devuan-1.0-beta-minimal-unofficial-20160511_1204.iso_

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

KatolaZ wrote: [snip] > > > I am currently running it mainly from qemu. My line looks like this: > > > > > > qemu-system-x86_64 -cdrom > > > devuan-1.0-beta-minimal-unofficial-20160511_1204.iso -boot d -m 256\ > > >-localtime --enable-kvm -net nic -net user,hostfwd=tcp::5556-:22 > > > >

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 09:20:06PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 07:57:54AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 08:43:09PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > > > > [cut] > > > > > > > > Hi, I got it. It it possible to run from qemu? Running with > > > this vanilla comman

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 07:57:54AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 08:43:09PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > Hi, I got it. It it possible to run from qemu? Running with > > this vanilla command line panics with message "no working init found". > > > > sudo qemu-syst

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 08:43:09PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: [cut] > > Hi, I got it. It it possible to run from qemu? Running with > this vanilla command line panics with message "no working init found". > > sudo qemu-system-x86_64 --enable-kvm -cdrom > devuan-1.0-beta-minimal-unofficial-2016051

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 06:58:15AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 05:40:57PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > > On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 10:52:41PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > > Dear Devuaners, > > > > > > inspired by the recent thread about unofficial devuan live images > > > obtained with

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 05:40:57PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 10:52:41PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > Dear Devuaners, > > > > inspired by the recent thread about unofficial devuan live images > > obtained with refracta tools, in the last few days I have been > > experimenting w

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 10:52:41PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > Dear Devuaners, > > inspired by the recent thread about unofficial devuan live images > obtained with refracta tools, in the last few days I have been > experimenting with a small-footprint version of Devuan Jessie Beta. My > goal was to o

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Fri, 13 May 2016 00:06:08 +0200 Svante Signell wrote: > On Thu, 2016-05-12 at 22:59 +0200, Florian Zieboll wrote: > > On Thu, 12 May 2016 10:49:15 +0200 > > aitor_czr wrote: > > > > > Sorry for my two latest emails. The date was wrong again... It's > > > due > > > to the BIOS of one concre

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Thu, 2016-05-12 at 22:59 +0200, Florian Zieboll wrote: > On Thu, 12 May 2016 10:49:15 +0200 > aitor_czr wrote: > > > Sorry for my two latest emails. The date was wrong again... It's > > due > > to the BIOS of one concrete computer. > > > Hi Aitor, > > if you run openntpd, you could set the

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Thu, 12 May 2016 10:49:15 +0200 aitor_czr wrote: > Sorry for my two latest emails. The date was wrong again... It's due > to the BIOS of one concrete computer. Hi Aitor, if you run openntpd, you could set the '-s' flag under DAEMON_OPTS in /etc/default/openntpd to force time synchronization

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Thu, Mar 04, 2021 at 01:11:19AM +0100, aitor_czr wrote: > > On 12/05/16 09:34, KatolaZ wrote: > >>rpl > >>curl > >I can't see the need for rpl in a minimal install, to be honest:) I > >might probably consider curl, even if you have wget and netcat in > >there already. > > > >Thanks for all the

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On 05/12/2016 10:43 AM, aitor_czr wrote: On 12/05/16 09:34, KatolaZ wrote: >>rpl >>curl >I can't see the need for rpl in a minimal install, to be honest:) I >might probably consider curl, even if you have wget and netcat in >there already. > >Thanks for all the comments. > >KatolaZ I propo

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On 12/05/16 09:34, KatolaZ wrote: rpl curl I can't see the need for rpl in a minimal install, to be honest:) I might probably consider curl, even if you have wget and netcat in there already. Thanks for all the comments. KatolaZ I proposed rpl because i use a script in devuan-installer wic

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On 12/05/16 09:36, aitor_czr > wrote: But keep in mind that the size of the iso will increment a little, >due to the .udeb packages. *increase* a little :) Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://maili

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On 12/05/16 19:20, aitor_czr wrote: > > > On 05/12/2016 08:09 AM, KatolaZ wrote: >>> debootstrap --minbase would be a good place to start, rather than >>> ripping >>> >down an existing image. >>> > >>> >I know this is possible with live build. >>> > >> I had tried that in the past, with a previo

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 09:20:54AM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: > > > On 05/12/2016 08:09 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > >>debootstrap --minbase would be a good place to start, rather than ripping > >>>down an existing image. > >>> > >>>I know this is possible with live build. > >>> > >I had tried that in the

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 09:13:23AM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: [cut] > > Thanks, KatolaZ ! > > I'll have a look at the list of packages. I would propose, for example: > > locales already there. > util-linux-locales always hated that :D > user-setup already there. > console-setup already the

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On 05/12/2016 08:09 AM, KatolaZ wrote: debootstrap --minbase would be a good place to start, rather than ripping >down an existing image. > >I know this is possible with live build. > I had tried that in the past, with a previous Debian stable, and I still got a lot of garbage installed at th

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On 05/12/2016 02:30 AM, KatolaZ wrote: Dear Devuaners, inspired by the recent thread about unofficial devuan live images obtained with refracta tools, in the last few days I have been experimenting with a small-footprint version of Devuan Jessie Beta. My goal was to obtain a fully functional

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 11:35:44AM +1000, Ozi Traveller wrote: > debootstrap --minbase would be a good place to start, rather than ripping > down an existing image. > > I know this is possible with live build. > I had tried that in the past, with a previous Debian stable, and I still got a lot o

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 02:18:55AM +0100, David Hare wrote: > Nice, well done. I always keep an installed minimal system. Only got > it going in qemu so far.. free -m (for what it's worth) shows 130 used > (5 17 74 shared buffers cache) > On qemu it shows: total used free sh

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 02:18:55AM +0100, David Hare wrote: > Nice, well done. I always keep an installed minimal system. Only got > it going in qemu so far.. free -m (for what it's worth) shows 130 used > (5 17 74 shared buffers cache) > > Had to guess user login and pw, it was devuan devuan. So

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

debootstrap --minbase would be a good place to start, rather than ripping down an existing image. I know this is possible with live build. On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 7:52 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > Dear Devuaners, > > inspired by the recent thread about unofficial devuan live images > obtained with refr

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

Nice, well done. I always keep an installed minimal system. Only got it going in qemu so far.. free -m (for what it's worth) shows 130 used (5 17 74 shared buffers cache) Had to guess user login and pw, it was devuan devuan. Couldn't get root. You forgot to put "username=devuan" on the cmdline! I

Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

AWESOME! I like the way this is going!!! And ideal for the raspberry pi, and maybe a docker image too! On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 7:52 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > Dear Devuaners, > > inspired by the recent thread about unofficial devuan live images > obtained with refracta tools, in the last few days I

[DNG] Unofficial Devuan Jessie Beta Live Minimal

Dear Devuaners, inspired by the recent thread about unofficial devuan live images obtained with refracta tools, in the last few days I have been experimenting with a small-footprint version of Devuan Jessie Beta. My goal was to obtain a fully functional minimal system using standard Devuan package