Re: [DNG] Systemd-free distros Was Re: Distrowatch

2015-11-03 Thread Mitt Green
Graphical doesn't always mean "user-friendly" or "for clueless people". We can simply look at Unity and GNOME3 where you can barely find stuff on your computer and some software that works better and simpler in terminal (compare that Ubuntu software centre and APT‎, dd and Unetbootin, I believe we

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free distros Was Re: Distrowatch

2015-11-03 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Here, you are talking to someone who developed a GRAPHICAL network > manager. You see, I too created an application to help 'clueless' > users. Ubuntu is not the only distribution to help newbies. I tend to make a distinction between clueles

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free distros Was Re: Distrowatch

2015-11-03 Thread Edward Bartolo
Forwarded to DNG On 03/11/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: > What is the point of changing anything if it doesn't offer something > different? > > Devuan is about choice rather than the CLI alone as the latter is only > one element in the set of user interfaces. Devuan does not want to > remove graphi

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free distros Was Re: Distrowatch

2015-11-03 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 6:28 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > I think, the majority of people opting to use a non-mainstream OS like > GNU/Linux do so for a good reason, and those who use it to look geeky > and to impress, simply cannot persevere when problems crop up and take > a good deal of effort to

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free distros Was Re: Distrowatch

2015-11-02 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Mon, Nov 02, 2015 at 02:38:13PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 02 Nov 2015 21:57:25 +0300 > Mitt Green wrote: > > I think we should count NetBSD here as the folks there > > try to maintain the philosophy, keeping things simple > > and minimal. I will write to them about it. > > If you can

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free distros Was Re: Distrowatch

2015-11-02 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi All, I think, the majority of people opting to use a non-mainstream OS like GNU/Linux do so for a good reason, and those who use it to look geeky and to impress, simply cannot persevere when problems crop up and take a good deal of effort to resolve. In the latter type of users, I include 'geek

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free distros Was Re: Distrowatch

2015-11-02 Thread Mitt Green
> ‎There are some more I believe. As Fredrik Rinnestam of > CRUX  said > "Switch to systemd? over my dead body", we can count this. >> Thanks. I didn't know this. I'll check it out. Here's the message https://lists.crux.nu/pipermail/crux-devel/2012-July/004039.html >>> If you can actually inst

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free distros Was Re: Distrowatch

2015-11-02 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 02 Nov 2015 21:57:25 +0300 Mitt Green wrote: > ‎There are some more I believe. As Fredrik Rinnestam of > CRUX  said > "Switch to systemd? over my dead body", we can count this. Thanks. I didn't know this. I'll check it out. > > I think we should count NetBSD here as the folks there > t

[DNG] Systemd-free distros Was Re: Distrowatch

2015-11-02 Thread Mitt Green
‎There are some more I believe. As Fredrik Rinnestam of CRUX  said "Switch to systemd? over my dead body", we can count this. I think we should count NetBSD here as the folks there try to maintain the philosophy, keeping things simple and minimal. I will write to them about it. There is also Alpi