On 20/05/16 09:26, Svante Signell wrote:
> On Wed, 2016-05-18 at 06:26 -0400, Boruch Baum wrote:
>> On 2016-05-18 12:11, Svante Signell wrote:
...
>>> I'm listed as a co-maintainer of openrc (as well as ifupdown).
>>> However, due to
>>> the hostile environment in Debian I'm reluctant to do an
On Wed, 2016-05-18 at 06:26 -0400, Boruch Baum wrote:
> On 2016-05-18 12:11, Svante Signell wrote:
> > > ...
> > I'm listed as a co-maintainer of openrc (as well as ifupdown).
> > However, due to
> > the hostile environment in Debian I'm reluctant to do any serious
> > work on these
> > packages, e
On 2016-05-18 12:11, Svante Signell wrote:
> > ...
> I'm listed as a co-maintainer of openrc (as well as ifupdown). However, due to
> the hostile environment in Debian I'm reluctant to do any serious work on
> these
> packages, except contributing to RC bugs being solved, to keep them in
> testin
On Tue, 2016-05-17 at 13:38 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 09:27:43PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I sincerely wish the remedy of installing openrc and pinning systemd
> > > would work, but I'm sure it won't on the mid-long term.
> > It obviously can't. The same
Adam Borowski wrote:
> ...the word "pirate",
> originally a bandit and murderer (and in places like Somalia, still current!)
> yet nowadays its more widespread meaning is "culture spreading activist"[1]
> (not just copyright, also, eg, radio), a term of pride for many of us.
However, it is worth n
On 05/17/2016 06:45 AM, emnin...@riseup.net wrote:
Please do not take my question wrong (probably i am missing something):
If it's that way, how can devuan then rely on debian as for packages
etc.? At least in a forseeable future ... ?
Good question. Devuan and Debian are growing apart (as J
On Tue, 17 May 2016 14:11:49 +0200
Jaromil wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2016, emnin...@riseup.net wrote:
>
> > Am Mon, 16 May 2016 13:41:14 +
> > schrieb dev :
> > Please do not take my question wrong (probably i am missing
> > something): If it's that way, how can devuan then rely on debian as
On Tue, 17 May 2016 14:33:03 +0200
Jaromil wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2016, Adam Borowski wrote:
>
> > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 09:27:43PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> > > > I sincerely wish the remedy of installing openrc and pinning
> > > > systemd would work, but I'm sure it won't on the mid-l
On Tue, 17 May 2016 09:15:08 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 09:44:35PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
[snip Steve Litt's anti-Debian community rant]
> It might be due to my natural attitude, which forbids me from spitting
> into the same plate I have been eating until 2 minutes ago,
emnin...@riseup.net wrote:
> Please do not take my question wrong (probably i am missing something):
> If it's that way, how can devuan then rely on debian as for packages
> etc.? At least in a forseeable future ... ?
The thing is that Debian is already there, pretty well complete, and the
major
On Tue, 17 May 2016, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 09:27:43PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > I sincerely wish the remedy of installing openrc and pinning
> > > systemd would work, but I'm sure it won't on the mid-long term.
> > It obviously can't. The same Debian leadership who v
On Tue, 17 May 2016, emnin...@riseup.net wrote:
> Am Mon, 16 May 2016 13:41:14 +
> schrieb dev :
>
> > Very well spoken. Debian leadership has demonstrated it's disinterest
> > in remaining "Free". There is another motive driving Debian
> > development now and Systemd will end up being the co
Another example, intentionally not systemd related:
If you use any of: backups, snapshots, nfs, etc, you'd want to have all
per-user "no data loss on failure/deletion" files in a common dir, such as
~/.cache, to make it easy to exclude or bind-mount. Currently, such caches
are strewn around hundr
Am Mon, 16 May 2016 13:41:14 +
schrieb dev :
> Very well spoken. Debian leadership has demonstrated it's disinterest
> in remaining "Free". There is another motive driving Debian
> development now and Systemd will end up being the core of Debian. To
> remove it will only mean uninstalling the
On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 09:27:43PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > I sincerely wish the remedy of installing openrc and pinning systemd
> > would work, but I'm sure it won't on the mid-long term.
>
> It obviously can't. The same Debian leadership who voted "no" (or was
> it "we don't need no steenkin
On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 09:44:35PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
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>
> What I'm about to say is barely germane to what you two both said, but
> I'll say it anyway.
>
> I *never* felt comfortable in the Debian community, even before the
> "systemd thing". Those people were mean. They were arrogan
On Mon, 16 May 2016 08:26:11 -0500
dev wrote:
> On 05/16/2016 05:12 AM, Jaromil wrote:
> > To all those who think this and other similar approaches may
> > invalidate the need of our fork: please consider we are not just
> > forking Debian because of systemd, but because the people who have
> > t
On Mon, 16 May 2016 12:12:20 +0200
Jaromil wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2016, emnin...@riseup.net wrote:
>
> > As for the rest, i'd be interested in what you think about the
> > content of that discussion.
>
> I think it minimizes the problem systemd brings to Debian and the
> problem the current
On 05/16/2016 05:12 AM, Jaromil wrote:
To all those who think this and other similar approaches may
invalidate the need of our fork: please consider we are not just
forking Debian because of systemd, but because the people who have
taken over the leadership of that distro have betrayed its mand
Hi,
I think, it is not about the term "linuxmafia" offending our feelings
but rather the bad connotations it brings with Linux. Linux is exactly
the opposite of oppression and abuse: Linux is about freedom.
Edward
On 16/05/2016, Jaromil wrote:
> On Sun, 15 May 2016, Steve Litt wrote:
>> Rick ha
On Sun, 15 May 2016, Steve Litt wrote:
> Rick has held the linuxmafia.com domain since at least 1999:
thanks for the explanation Steve. I'm airing a personal irritation
which is almost two decades old, as I used linuxmafia.org back when I
was using Slackware and Debian didn't even existed. I'm gla
Hi,
Jaromil wrote:
<< some of us are from places in which that word means prevarication,
violence, misery and corruption. I've never been entertained by such a
name, not even when it was about slackware packages. very bad taste.
>>
+Infinity
Edward
On 16/05/2016, Jaromil wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Ma
On Mon, 16 May 2016, emnin...@riseup.net wrote:
> As for the rest, i'd be interested in what you think about the
> content of that discussion.
I think it minimizes the problem systemd brings to Debian and the
problem the current Debian leadership has with its own constituency.
I sincerely wish th
On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 11:39:38AM +0200, emnin...@riseup.net wrote:
> As for me, i understand those who are hurted by the use of the term
> mafia (one half of my family is from "there" ;) ), but i also
> understand the may be improper but innocent use of that term in
> a different social and cultu
As for me, i understand those who are hurted by the use of the term
mafia (one half of my family is from "there" ;) ), but i also
understand the may be improper but innocent use of that term in
a different social and cultural context.
May be it's a good way to try to understand the reasons of the
On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 08:03:58AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 08:38:26PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Mon, 16 May 2016 01:18:34 +0200
> > Florian Zieboll wrote:
> > > On Sun, 15 May 2016 23:22:07 +0200
> > > Jaromil wrote:
> > > > prevarication, violence, misery and corrup
On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 08:38:26PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2016 01:18:34 +0200
> Florian Zieboll wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 15 May 2016 23:22:07 +0200
> > Jaromil wrote:
> >
> > > prevarication, violence, misery and corruption
> >
> > Depending on one's personal history,
>
> Let
On Mon, 16 May 2016 01:18:34 +0200
Florian Zieboll wrote:
> On Sun, 15 May 2016 23:22:07 +0200
> Jaromil wrote:
>
> > prevarication, violence, misery and corruption
>
> Depending on one's personal history,
Let me say it succinctly: I think Rick probably meant something like
"toughguys" or "
On Sun, 15 May 2016 23:22:07 +0200
Jaromil wrote:
> prevarication, violence, misery and corruption
Depending on one's personal history, there are many more possibilities
to associate these characteristics with: church, (political) executive,
family... just to name a few of them.
Personally, I'
On 16/05/16 10:26, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sun, 15 May 2016 23:22:07 +0200 Jaromil wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 15 May 2016, marc wrote:
>>
>>> http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Debian/openrc-conversion.html
>>
>> what's wrong with these guys to call themselves linuxmafia?
>>
>> some of us are from places in whi
On Sun, 15 May 2016 23:22:07 +0200
Jaromil wrote:
> On Sun, 15 May 2016, marc wrote:
>
> > http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Debian/openrc-conversion.html
>
> what's wrong with these guys to call themselves linuxmafia?
>
> some of us are from places in which that word means prevarication,
> violence,
On Sun, 15 May 2016, marc wrote:
> http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Debian/openrc-conversion.html
what's wrong with these guys to call themselves linuxmafia?
some of us are from places in which that word means prevarication,
violence, misery and corruption. I've never been entertained by such a
name, no
Hi
Just a quick note that there was a very brief discussion about removing
systemd from debian and replacing it with openRC on the linux-elitists
mailing lists. Probably the most interesting message ID
was 20160514204536.ga26...@linuxmafia.com - contained two links
which might be interesting to s
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