On 02/02/19 at 03:41, Steve Litt wrote:
> Of course, with cars, this complexity is partially
> necessary because to raise MPG (Miles Per Gallon) you need a computer
> to micromanage timing and amount of spark, air, fuel, and how they
> interact. I know of no similar necessity with computers.
On Fri, Feb 01, 2019 at 08:49:34PM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> On 01/02/19 at 11:19, KatolaZ wrote:
> > [about 100 lines cut off]
>
>
> Jeez, that many? My wife was right that I got to bed too late
> yesterday night! 😄
>
>
> > Are you willing to help with enabling s6/s6-rc in Devuan?
>
On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 14:56:45 +0300
Dmitrii Kashin wrote:
> I'd like to notice that Benno just repeats systemd's propaganda. All
> these theses were considered in 2014 by Jude Nelson.
>
> Here's the link:
> http://judecnelson.blogspot.com/2014/09/systemd-biggest-fallacies.html
>
> And (if someo
On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 13:07:37 +
Simon Hobson wrote:
> It's clear that systemd isn't the right implementation. And it's
> clear that Poettering isn't the right person to be doing it. But I'd
> suggest that many of us "systemd - just say no" folks aren't
> fundamentally opposed to improvements
On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 16:38:28 -1000
Joel Roth via Dng wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 12:19:44AM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> > Might interest someone:
> >
> > https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/
> >
> > [Front] Posted Jan 28, 2019 20:05 UTC (Mon) by corbet
> >
> > His attempt to cast that s
[Time references are from the video on
https://judecnelson.blogspot.com/2014/09/systemd-biggest-fallacies.html ]
On 31/01/19 at 12:56, Dmitrii Kashin wrote:
> В Чт, 31/01/2019 в 00:19 +0100, Alessandro Selli пишет:
[...]
> I'd like to notice that Benno just repeats systemd's propaganda.
A
On 01/02/19 at 11:19, KatolaZ wrote:
> [about 100 lines cut off]
Jeez, that many? My wife was right that I got to bed too late
yesterday night! 😄
> Are you willing to help with enabling s6/s6-rc in Devuan?
Oh my, that means I'll have to upgrade to Beowulf! And spend lots of
time tuning
В Чт, 31/01/2019 в 00:19 +0100, Alessandro Selli пишет:
> Might interest someone:
>
> https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/
Thx.
As this article must be interesting to people subscribed to this list,
I attach a free link:
https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/777595/8f021897f452e5b4/
I'd like to notice tha
On Fri, Feb 01, 2019 at 12:33:32AM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> On 31/01/19 at 03:38, Joel Roth via Dng wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 12:19:44AM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> >> Might interest someone:
> >>
> >> https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/
> >>
> >> [Front] Posted Jan 28, 2019 20:
Alessandro Selli wrote:
> On 31/01/19 at 03:38, Joel Roth via Dng wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 12:19:44AM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> >> Might interest someone:
> >>
> >> https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/
> >>
> >> [Front] Posted Jan 28, 2019 20:05 UTC (Mon) by corbet
> >>
> >> His attem
Alessandro Selli wrote:
>> Hard to believe I listened to the same talk Corbet
>> is describing. What I heard was a propaganda piece,
>> finding reasons to sell the systemd approach
>> to BSD conference attendees.
>
> Not really. He points out there were good reasons to want a new init,
> that
On 31/01/19 at 03:38, Joel Roth via Dng wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 12:19:44AM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote:
>> Might interest someone:
>>
>> https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/
>>
>> [Front] Posted Jan 28, 2019 20:05 UTC (Mon) by corbet
>>
>> His attempt to cast that story for the
>> pleasure
On 1/31/19 7:50 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Simon Hobson - 31.01.19, 14:07:
>> Massimo Coppola wrote:
> […]
>> It's clear that systemd isn't the right implementation. And it's clear
>> that Poettering isn't the right person to be doing it. But I'd
>> suggest that many of us "systemd - just s
On 2019-01-31 1:22 a.m., Rick Moen wrote:
As I'm (like you) an LWN.net subscriber, I can furnish a 'subscriber
link' for the benefit of Dng readers. Enjoy.
https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/777595/c64f9542bdd40595/
Thanks Rick, I appreciate this.
Reading it was like reading the incomplete logic
On 1/31/19 12:22 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
As I'm (like you) an LWN.net subscriber, I can furnish a 'subscriber
link' for the benefit of Dng readers. Enjoy.
https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/777595/c64f9542bdd40595/
Thanks, Rick. Interesting read.
Regarding systemd..If it were as grand as the su
Simon Hobson - 31.01.19, 14:07:
> Massimo Coppola wrote:
[…]
> It's clear that systemd isn't the right implementation. And it's clear
> that Poettering isn't the right person to be doing it. But I'd
> suggest that many of us "systemd - just say no" folks aren't
> fundamentally opposed to improveme
Massimo Coppola wrote:
> But I guess there's no need either to list all technical systemd issues here,
> or accept the unsound logic that unkind developers are the only reason of
> systemd criticism.
With all the hot air, I suspect that many people have lost sight of the
distinction between a
On 2019年1月31日 15:22:57 JST, Rick Moen wrote:
>Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
>
>> Might interest someone:
>>
>> https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/
>>
>> [Front] Posted Jan 28, 2019 20:05 UTC (Mon) by corbet
>>
>> Tragedy, according to Wikipedia, is "a form of drama based o
Hi all,
I don't contribute often to the list, but I really found irritating that after
setting a cuckoo egg in the nest someone comes and start telling everyone how
much nice is the deviant bird.
I think Lars Noodén already pointed out, the news is that the target of systemd
propaganda is the
Il giorno mercoledì 30/01/2019 18:57:05 -0600
goli...@dyne.org ha scritto:
> On 2019-01-30 17:19, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> > Might interest someone:
> >
> > https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/
> >
> > [Front] Posted Jan 28, 2019 20:05 UTC (Mon) by corbet
> >
> > Tragedy, according to Wikipedia,
On 1/31/19 4:38 AM, Joel Roth via Dng wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 12:19:44AM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote:
>> Might interest someone:
>>
>> https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/
>>
>> [Front] Posted Jan 28, 2019 20:05 UTC (Mon) by corbet
>>
>> His attempt to cast that story for the
>> pleasure of
Whether systemd is a tragedy or not, I will not say, but whenever I
tried it, I was always greeted with OS crashes. At first, I tried to
use it for a media player but, needless to state, the OS crashed for
no reason. With an SD card as the storage medium this becomes a
nuisance as one has to take o
Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
> Might interest someone:
>
> https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/
>
> [Front] Posted Jan 28, 2019 20:05 UTC (Mon) by corbet
>
> Tragedy, according to Wikipedia, is "a form of drama based on human
> suffering that invokes an accompanying cathar
On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 12:19:44AM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> Might interest someone:
>
> https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/
>
> [Front] Posted Jan 28, 2019 20:05 UTC (Mon) by corbet
>
> His attempt to cast that story for the
> pleasure of his audience resulted in a sympathetic and nuanced
On 1/30/19 4:57 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
On 2019-01-30 17:19, Alessandro Selli wrote:
Might interest someone:
https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/
[Front] Posted Jan 28, 2019 20:05 UTC (Mon) by corbet
Tragedy, according to Wikipedia, is "a form of drama based on human
suffering that invokes a
On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 18:57:05 -0600, goli...@dyne.org wrote in message
<810d7588b1d19b97a367da1d027b7...@dyne.org>:
> On 2019-01-30 17:19, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> > Might interest someone:
> >
> > https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/
> >
> > [Front] Posted Jan 28, 2019 20:05 UTC (Mon) by corbet
>
On 2019-01-30 17:19, Alessandro Selli wrote:
Might interest someone:
https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/
[Front] Posted Jan 28, 2019 20:05 UTC (Mon) by corbet
Tragedy, according to Wikipedia, is "a form of drama based on human
suffering that invokes an accompanying catharsis or pleasure in
audie
Might interest someone:
https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/
[Front] Posted Jan 28, 2019 20:05 UTC (Mon) by corbet
Tragedy, according to Wikipedia, is "a form of drama based on human
suffering that invokes an accompanying catharsis or pleasure in
audiences". Benno Rice took his inspiration from tha
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