Re: [DNG] Linux-related critique [Rant]

2015-08-18 Thread Philip Lacroix
Rainer, I'm sorry for posting the wrong quote header in my previous message. Of course I was quoting "DStoicheff", not you. Best, Philip ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Linux-related critique [Rant]

2015-08-18 Thread Philip Lacroix
Am 18.08.2015 21:12 schrieb Rainer Weikusat: That's how System/360 worked (presumably), that's how VMS worked (presumably), that's how OS/2 and Windows worked and that's what systemd strives to become and it's not modern but stone-age conservatism: Everything which happened in the 1970s was a g

Re: [DNG] Init scripts in packages

2015-08-06 Thread Philip Lacroix
Am 06.08.2015 17:49 schrieb Steve Litt: Laurent Bercot wrote: I have never said, am not saying, and probably never will say that systemd is any good. It's not, and Lennart and Kay should go back to engineering school, :s/engineering school/kindergarten/ Hell no, that wouldn't be good for

Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

2015-07-09 Thread Philip Lacroix
Am 09.07.2015 13:12 schrieb KatolaZ: That's why I, the caveman, has always "suggested" to accept only text emails in public MLs, and send the rest to /dev/null, including html and attachments... And as a caveman, I would also very much appreciate a sensible quoting, even if it seems that this li

Re: [Dng] Lennart reacts to the release of Devuan

2015-05-31 Thread Philip Lacroix
Now Mr Poettering will have another pretext (if not a reason) for whining and complaining that everybody "hates" him. This might also make him feel way more important than he actually is (Ok, it seems that he already does). That said, I admit that the video made me ROFL. Inappropriate? Perhaps,

Re: [Dng] Systemd discussions at LinuxQuestions.

2015-05-13 Thread Philip Lacroix
I've read the mentioned thread, although not completely yet, and I appreciated Jude's and nextime's interventions. Guys, you met TobiSGD, who should be a LQ moderator but is also an active systemd advocate, according to what I've seen in the past (and more than ever on that very thread). Unfort

Re: [Dng] Please stop vain discussion

2015-05-06 Thread Philip Lacroix
Am 06.05.2015 20:47 schrieb Nextime: The official position is: we will support anything that can be packaged without hijacking the whole system to be installed. Actually systemd doesn't match this requirement, so, devuan will not support it as long it doesn't radically change. Anyway we will not

Re: [Dng] Debian Dev: anti-systemd people hate women; thus respectable people should not support anti-systemd stance.

2015-05-04 Thread Philip Lacroix
My response to Coker's ill-conceived rant is still "awaiting moderation" on his blog. I'm posting it here verbatim: -------- Philip Lacroix Your comment is awaiting moderation. May 3, 2015 at 23:31 Dear Mr Coker If your intention was

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

2015-03-01 Thread Philip Lacroix
Am 01.03.2015 00:04 schrieb T.J. Duchene: As for systemd having "tentacles", there is certainly truth to that, but then the same argument could be said of Python or Perl. Both are rooted so far into "standard" distributions that it is hard to extract them. As other members have already point

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

2015-02-28 Thread Philip Lacroix
Am 27.02.2015 21:18 schrieb T.J. Duchene: With respect to all, I think that a measure of objectivity is called for here. I think that because personality clashes that Debian's entire systemd discussion has lost any sense of reality long ago. I wouldn't call "personality clash" the case of a us

Re: [Dng] The countdown

2015-01-27 Thread Philip Lacroix
Greetings Am 24.01.2015 22:29 schrieb Go Linux: I know a few folks who are expecting Devuan to fail miserably. As the deadline approaches, I'm hoping that you guys deliver the BEST Debian Jessie EVAH and prove these nay sayers wrong. Last progress update was about a month ago IIRC. A current

Re: [Dng] Gnome

2014-12-28 Thread Philip Lacroix
Am 28.12.2014 22:57 schrieb Klaus Hartnegg: OTOH desktop users that will be attracted to Devuan will also be in majority the same who also already renounced Gnome and Kde. Very likely yes. But still the largest number of all is probably server admins. Linux is mostly a server OS anyway, and des