LOLOL
> spreads nonsensical bullshite
> wonders why he's not welcomed
Good job of making a cod of yourself, waggon.
Reply to the list, otherwise you're a colleen,
irresponsible for her words.
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LOL that self-centric poof[1], that tells people
what to do[2], has #gnome in one row with #geek[3].
Don't forget to add #mentallychallenged,
Laurent Bigotville.
[1]:https://twitter.com/bigonbe
[2]:https://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/729032669254844420
[3]:http://imgur.com/PLoVJTI
the rant. They, though, seem to be
quite popular here.
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Steven W. Scott wrote:
> Wow. Funny that, my view is:
> Windows: Gaming
> Linux: everything else
I am kind of a "hardcore" gamer,
nowadays especially in Sauerbraten
and Urban Terror, back then in RedEclipse,
I actually think that the situation with
games is good.
Count here 0 A.D., Battle for
> The current init system is old. Ancient.
> We should all agree on it. Devuan is looking
> for a new init system that is not systemd and my
> personal choice for this task from now on is
> Gentoo's OpenRC.
Unix is old. Ancient. We should all agree on it.
Devuan is looking for a new base system t
Steve Litt wrote:
> International Conference on Chemistry and
> Chemical Process? That's what I found for
> this acronym.
It's ICCCM, a.k.a. I39L, Inter-Client Communication
Conventions Manual, a standard for window
managers [1].
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[1]: https://en.wikip
SpaceFM with udevil automounts external
devices. Removing gvfs also means no
automount in Thunar, apart from
losing wastebasket. udevil works
from console, too.
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aitor_czr wrote:
Seeing that the kde project switched to
cmake i guess it might be not so ugly aswell.
I suppose, KDE shouldn't be a role model :)
KatolaZ wrote:
Seeing that 90% of free software uses autohell
I guess it might be not so ugly :)
These 90% don't know, such an ugly thing t
.
CMake is written in C++, too, and is big and slow.
It's even worse than Autohell.
Sorry for my allergy to cee plus plus. It spreads
to HTML emails, too.
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y have - Flux-/Black-/Openbox, FVWM,
Jaysus, even Xfwm and Metacity do, too.
> In this thread, does Xfce qualify? Does LXDE?
> Openbox? Dwm?
Xfce - a DE. LXDE - a DE. Openbox - a WM. dwm
- a WM.
> It's just something to think about.
It doesn't even matter.
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task manager, appearance settings programme,
desktop and session. So, 'tis an environment definitely.
My two,
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Rainer Weikusat wrote:
People who may not know it yet but who are (like me) prone to inverting
two letter command names every once in a while might want to have a
look
at the sl package/ program.
https://github.com/nvbn/thefuck (package exists in the repos)
https://twitter.com/liamosaur/statu
Simon Walter wrote:
> If by desktops you mean DE, then I thought some
> have some dependencies on systemd by way of the
> included packages. DE vs. window manager.
> There is a big difference.
By desktops I mean DEs, and none of I have ever met
have hard dependency on systemd. They have kind
of
Rob van der Putten wrote:
> Which desktops work without systemd?
> A list would be nice.
Every desktop environment is known
to work without systemd. GNOME3 works
on Funtoo, Slackware, FreeBSD, OpenBSD,
DragonflyBSD. It depends on the
distribution itself.
hellekin wrote:
> Thanks Mitt. That means it would be candidate
> for the contrib component, right? (Which is not
> supposed to be part of Devuan.)
Frankly, no idea. I have never used Skype, nor have
a Microsoft account (removed right after throwing
away my Lumia; smartphones suck b
inat/apulse
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anything; "apt upgrade" never
installs or removes unmet dependencies; "aptitude full-upgrade"
is similar to "apt dist-upgrade".
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Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> As is a lot of everything else...?
I pointed out, that not by Canonical. Certainly,
pretty much everything out there is made by a
community.
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Rainer Weikusat wrote:
Yenta or Yente (Yiddish: יענטאַ) is a Yiddish designation for a woman
who
is a gossip or busybody
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yenta
I don't think this was supposed to be a compliment.
But I don't think he thought of insulting someone...
n't find a word of "insult" from Mr Baum and no self-centred
behaviour of Go Linux (by the way, would love to know the name but don't
demand).
This is in case if my two cents are counted.
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sending were sent by me
earlier in the list and thus were tested.
I didn't incorporate the use of any kind
of display manager though, neither
then, nor do now.
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[restart]
Identity=unix-user:*
Action=org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.restart
ResultAny=yes
[stop]
Identity=unix-user:*
Action=org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.stop
ResultAny=yes
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Hendrik Boom wrote:
Canonical seems also th have bee floating the BSD banner lately. It's
just possible that's related to the hard-to-find Debian BSD project.
If you mean ubuntuBSD, it's made by a community.
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I've just visited the DW page[1], which says:
Debian (formerly Debian GNU/Linux)
I couldn't find any information on that.
Maybe ye have some?
I'd rather prefer these: systemdebian,
Debian systemd/Linux, Deb Hat, Debora/Dedora,
Fedorian. (sorry, couldn't resist)
P
after a while it became really
nice. Also, system wide RAM usage for me then was amazing, around 80MB
on boot without loaded apps.
This was normal for Xfce in Debian Squeeze.
Just my two eurocents,
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Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> BTW, did someon ask the donkey for
> permission to put his image on this page?
It's from her Instagram. Look up @sexy_ass95
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Boruch Baum wrote:
You know what. How about this. Think of systemd as that girlfriend you
broke up with. You've decided to dump systemd, so be done with it.
Leave
it behind and move on. It's over. If you can't forget about her, its
not
over, and frankly, something in your head is messed up.
than 5%, because the machine
will not reboot. There are actually many, many insane design solutions,
for more, as I said, refer to their changelogs.
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deb http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main
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week) in Ceres because Debian dropped
SHA1.
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;? "Most users", I reckon, don't
care, whether they are running systemd
or not. Just my two penn'orth.
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Daniel Reurich wrote:
> *buntu users apparently..
*buntu users use *buntu :)
> Indeed. And you have that option to
> skip creating users in the "expert
> install" method.
So, this "expert install" has much
more capabilities, why
tial setup of the
particular system. It's implied
in CRUX and Slackware; BSDs maintain
the same method, I believe.
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uppose,
'tis still not there.
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/apt/lists/packages.devuan.org_merged_dists_unstable_InRelease:
The repository is insufficiently signed by key
72E3CB773315DFA2E464743D94532124541922FB (weak digest)
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The repositories are not available. I am using Ceres/Unstable.
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> showing how to join the mailing list, how to join
> the IRC channel(s), and how to download the
> beta and the latest alpha (4, isn't it?).
+1
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There is strong language in the comment section. Some report,
the upgrade breaks bootloaders.
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uan] enthält Häresie:
"Devuan does provide systemd, but it is not the default init system."
Es tut nicht, wir haben systemd-pinning.
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This question is long-standing, but I forget to
ask it. What's wrong with Wayland? I never used
it, except for a couple of broken Fedora Live
sessions, when everything freezes.
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all -D. So, instead of make install, ye use this.
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There's Shotwell, that had been working for me
for quite some time. It's a photo organiser, and
may help.
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Thanks for the advice and the links, Emiliano.
I appreciate it.
Peace,
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yasm? If we consider the three, gas, nasm and yasm,
which one is, say, preferred by many and why?
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Those RH/GNOME3 trolls don't seem to like E :(
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ery simple and clean
curses interface.
Hope this helps,
Mitt
References:
[1]: https://git.devuan.org/pkgs-utopia-substitution/vdev
[2]: https://github.com/jcnelson/vdev/blob/master/how-to-test.md
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Why would someone go personal out of nothing
is still uncertain to me. Seems like, ignoring
things ye don't admire is a real issue nowadays.
Frankly, in communities I have ever participated,
and believe me, there are galore, I've never seen
such, but in Debian-related.
My two eurocents.
_
ocuses
on Windows, and has explanations of algebra and other maths.
So, maths resources would be great too.
Thanks in advance,
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Dell Inspiron but it doesn't work
and I don't care.
>Hotkey to close a window (Alt+F4 sucks in my opinion)
Ctrl+Alt+x, default in cwm and very handy, in my opinion.
My €0.02,
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Hendrik Boom wrote:
>I cannot find a tde. Does it have another nae, or does it still need
>to be packaged?
They have repos, check this out:
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DebianInstall
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ese new shiny
things is growing. We will end up forking GTK+2 and Xfce.
GTK+3 is not a "successor" (ToZ), more like a "failessor".
Strive to the left column - http://killx.linuxbbq.org/
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> Raised $5,076 of $70,000
> Five days to go
> Estimated delivery: Mar 2017
> Receive it for donating $50
...
But hey, 'tis Kickstarter. If ye browse popular projects,
ye'll see, how much of unnecessary rubbish is there
(see also
[yourkickstartersucks.tumblr.com](http://yourkickstartersucks.tumb
ning on how poor architecture is, and so
on, ye know.
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our fault.
Luckily, there is no (good) software that relies on systemd.
Anyway, no one has an excuse for creating such poor
solutions and promoting them.
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de Debian related.
I'm glad that you enjoy E :)
My €0.02,
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Revision 8.25-2 disables default quoting now.
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Hi,
In case you haven't read this,
Denys Vlasenko tells about
his experiences with sysvinit.
There he refers to daemontools
and runit as superior to the traditional
init.
https://busybox.net/~vda/init_vs_runsv.html
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>Pipes and files.
Oh, aye, how could I forget this :(
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and quotes.
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levant bug is
>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=813164
For God's sake, look, Yngwie Malmsteen, Ronnie James Dio & Tim ''Ripper'' Owens
- Mr. Crowley.mp3 became
'Yngwie Malmsteen, Ronnie James Dio & Tim &#x
No idea, why they did it,
but anyway, who uses whitespaces in
names of scripts? I always get
rid of them even when naming
wallpapers.
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"The history of bloat:
2008 - KDE 4
2011 - GNOME 3 (and Unity, Cinnamon etc.)
2015 - Xfce 4.12
Enlightenment: 'We have been making bloat since 1997'"
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, Unity and systemd appeared.
It made sense galore, since most of development
went to "innovative solutions", "user-friendliness"
and some other excuses for writing poor code.
Wheezy, by the way, has libsystemd-logind or something
alike in the default GNOME3 installation.
Long l
Jaromil wrote:
>Or am I the only one seeing a "systemd sucks" here
written with invisible ink?
Looking at comments there, it seems it's about
the size of the system and systemd is definitely
too big for them, just as the whole GNU userland
and glibc in
psk="yourpsk"
}
dhcpcd is a daemon itself, hence the name
(DHCP client daemon).
I saw your message about NetworkManager that modifies
resolv.conf, dhcpcd does it by default, unless you put
"nohook reso
goes to C++. There are reasons
for it, this is another topic/rant/flamewar.
Qt is, in my opinion, slow and bloated
(unless it's KDE3 and Qt3 :) ).
My two penn'orth,
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My two pennies,
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aitor_czr wrote:
>'Netconman' is very similar to the existing 'connman', and
>'Network Connections Manager' is too long.
Okay, maybe connetman then? :)
>Another choice:
>*nm-tools*
nm-tool is a binary, p
Edward Bartolo wrote:
>I am suggesting this name:
>nm-devuan for network manager Devuan.
I don't think it should contain Devuan word in it,
as long as people from other communities
will probably use it too.
netconman for Network Connections Manager
would be nice.
My two
the very early days
of my Debian experience and have never installed it again.
APT and dpkg do the job great for me, I very rarely open
Synaptic. Deborphan is nice to manage retained
unnecessary packages and configurations.
My €0.02,
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way to prevent a package from being installed in
Unstable/Ceres:
=
Package: [package name]
Pin: release a=* [or o=*]
Pin-Priority: -1
=
>Systemd is not on the system, so where did systemd-logind come from?
systemd-logind is provided by systemd pack
a month ago:
https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/thread/20151202.105920.e7d97bbc.en.html
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;t see the presence of
the package.
Sorry and thanks,
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I have noticed, that Go Linux' messages were not delivered
to me, yet they are shown on the site (lists.dyne.org).
And my spam folder is empty.
I am using Yahoo!Mail as well, and wonder, whether my emails
are delivered.
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that user either has to recompile the package, removing
dbus from control, or compile from sources.
Also, both Iceweasel and gmusicbrowser don't depend on dbus.
Iceweasel has libdbus-1-3, I reckon, it is not a problem.
Hope this helps,
Mitt
References:
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Hi,
Got the error now:
$ sudo apt update
[...]
E: Release file for http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/InRelease
is expired (invalid since 4h 27min 55s). Updates for this repository will not
be applied.
Ceres/Unstable
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I wrote:
>they offer cheap low-end laptops (well, having 4GB of RAM
is low-end these days).
They have Linux pre-installed, forgot to mention.
I've seen maybe a couple only high-end laptops with
Linux, and they are made by Dell.
So, looking through the market, chances are, you'll
see galore, but
.
And, of course, as long as they don't bundle Windows right into the
SSD/HDD (or do they?), assembling own machine is
the best way to get it working.
My £0.02,
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Removes GNOME3
Removes systemd
Removes Xfce
Removes 9wm
Removes X
Removes their package manager
Removes make, because "I can cc everything by myself"
Removes C++ programmes
Removes C programmes
"Why do I need Assembly when there is machine code"
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thanks. I can't live without
libpulse0 anyway now, mostly because of
games (0 A.D., UT, RedEclipse etc., they all need it).
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+3 is less favoured);
- not a lot of dependencies (why do I need to install
samba-libs to decode videos, I don't know);
- it would be great if a player is already compiled in .deb and
is in repos/PPA/official site.
Thank you all,
Have a good one,
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here
Windows is represented by only one machine.
I would still like to thank Microsoft,
because if their Windows 8 was working for me
without three BSODs in six months, I'd never be here.
Sorry for the long rant,
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quot;use cases" for systemd?
Heh, as long as you don't have a choice, there is no "use case"
or best practice. If ye use Debian, ye are required to use
systemd (from TC perspective).
By the way, I generally dislike the way Debian-docs a
Does that actually mean that we should migrate
to newer kernels as soon as the hole gets fixed?
I reckon, even though there are plenty of
machines that run older than 3.8 (2.6.32 notably)
this affects pretty much everyone, at least here.
Well, applying patches is not something
time-consuming, but
Steve Litt wrote:
>I'm not for a moment suggesting Devuan should remove Debian's libdbus
>dependency. We have bigger fish to fry.
$ apt-cache rdepends libdbus-1-3
libdbus-1-3
Reverse Depends:
(...)
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Steve Litt wrote:
>Does dunst depend on dbus?
Well, according to apt-cache depends, it needs dbus' shared library
(libdbus-1-3).
>Can dunst be run without dbus?
>Can notify-send be run without dbus?
Since it doesn't depend on dbus package, which contains
dbus-daemon, it may be able to.
Not sur
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Adam Borowski wrote:
>I see not a single piece of hardware from this millenium.
>Thus, OSS is not just obsolete, it's historic.
According to the list, it can't work on my machine, which is
made in this century (2013 to be exact).
Please take a look at this article (last edited in 2011):
https://
I wrote:
>by happy chance we do have OSS option, which is simpler and portable
>and simply works.
Also, if you go with OSS, you need neither xfce4-volumed, nor
xfce4-mixer, because:
- OSS has its own mixer;
- volume keys can be configured to be used with it.
Frankly, I don't understand, why Open
Emiliano Marini wrote:
>Word from Eric Hameleers, one of the main Slackware maintainers (AKA alienbob):
>>"...you have to have PA installed because applications are now linking
>>against it.
>>What you can still do is configure PA to be an input channel for ALSA and
>>leave ALSA to control your
Tomasz Torcz wrote:
>Slackware switched to eudev in order to avoid systemd.
Shame on me not reading the whole thing. Still, systemd is not mentioned (:
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...because of BlueZ 5 and Xfce.
Looks like those xfce4-volumed and xfce4-mixer are dropped *in favour*
of PulseAudio (as they say because of gstreamer).
Developers of BlueZ simply stopped supporting ALSA.
In other news, current branch has got 4.4 kernel, which, by the way, came
up only four days
Svante Signell wrote:
> What about: (saves a copy of the old file):
> blah-blah-blah
Why not simply check .xinitrc first and put "startxfce4" or whatever
inside with a text editor?
By the way, I have "startxfce4 --with-ck-launch."
My two eurocents,
Mitt__
Ángel Ramírez Isea wrote:
>IMHO, at some point we will have to start ignoring whatever they do.
What does RH produce so it can't be replaced in favour of an alternative?
Maybe GTK+ only, which is made by the GNOME Project, where RH
employees work... But it's indirect. And we still use GTK+2 anywa
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