Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs

2022-01-20 Thread terryc
On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 13:25:50 -0500 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 06:40:13PM +0100, Antony Stone wrote: > > On Thursday 20 January 2022 at 17:24:46, Peter Duffy wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 2022-01-16 at 04:12 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > https://www.y

Re: [DNG] ntp setup

2022-01-20 Thread Jim Jackson
On Thu, 20 Jan 2022, Steve Litt wrote: > Rick Moen said on Tue, 22 Jun 2021 01:51:35 -0700 > > >Quoting Olaf Meeuwissen (paddy-h...@member.fsf.org): > > > >> I think it's fair to point out that systemd-timesyncd only promises > >> Simple NTP (SNTP). How good a job it does of that is another m

Re: [DNG] Qt, KDE, unbelievable

2022-01-20 Thread Jim Jackson
On Thu, 20 Jan 2022, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > Read this: > > https://www.neowin.net/news/ads-may-be-coming-to-kde-the-popular-linux-desktop/ > Yes read it. Qt adding support for ADS. Any Open Source KDE/Qt program that did that would have the code that did it removed by debian strai

Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?

2022-01-20 Thread Syeed Ali
On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 15:38:43 -0600 goli...@devuan.org wrote: > The bike-shedding is quite useless and frankly getting annoying > without an accompanying tangible option for us to look at and > evaluate. > > Is everyone really that bored and clueless? I think more like curious and listless. I li

Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?

2022-01-20 Thread Syeed Ali
On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:08:08 +1100 Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: > Sure others could come up with better symbols / logos and words than > me. Freedom as an idea is a contrast between non-free and free. A symbol if it is therefore shown in those three parts: 1. Non-free (limitation, impriso

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs

2022-01-20 Thread onefang
On 2022-01-20 18:40:13, Antony Stone wrote: > On Thursday 20 January 2022 at 17:24:46, Peter Duffy wrote: > > > On Sun, 2022-01-16 at 04:12 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E > > > > Thanks for the link to that - brilliant talk. I've alw

Re: [DNG] Problems with SPF of dyne.org for this mailing list

2022-01-20 Thread golinux
On 2022-01-19 18:32, Bob Proulx via Dng wrote: Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: Not fixed? Did anybody look at this. Did you send a problem report to the mailing list owner? Thanks for the reports . . . I got bit by this yesterday too. I think (hope) Dyne has gotten it fixed once and for a

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs

2022-01-20 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 06:40:13PM +0100, Antony Stone wrote: > On Thursday 20 January 2022 at 17:24:46, Peter Duffy wrote: > > > On Sun, 2022-01-16 at 04:12 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E > > > > Thanks for the link to that - brilli

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs

2022-01-20 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 20 January 2022 at 17:24:46, Peter Duffy wrote: > On Sun, 2022-01-16 at 04:12 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E > > Thanks for the link to that - brilliant talk. I've always thought that > Brian Kernighan himself was the great com

Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs

2022-01-20 Thread Peter Duffy
Thanks for the link to that - brilliant talk. I've always thought that Brian Kernighan himself was the great communicator in the UNIX group - I wonder whether "The C Programming Language" and "The Unix Programming Environment" would have happened without his obvious ability to take abstruse and dif

Re: [DNG] ntp setup

2022-01-20 Thread Daniel R. Klein
On 1/20/22 12:30 PM, Steve Litt wrote: After reading that page and man 5 ntpd.conf, I couldn't find out how to make sure it does NTP. Is it safe to assume that it does both SNTP and NTP out of the box, and the user of SNTP in no way compromises its use of NTP? As far as my knowledge goes: if y

Re: [DNG] ntp setup

2022-01-20 Thread wirelessduck--- via Dng
> On 20 Jan 2022, at 21:58, Steve Litt wrote: > > Rick Moen said on Tue, 22 Jun 2021 01:51:35 -0700 > >> Quoting Olaf Meeuwissen (paddy-h...@member.fsf.org): >> >>> I think it's fair to point out that systemd-timesyncd only promises >>> Simple NTP (SNTP). How good a job it does of that is a

Re: [DNG] The Daedalus desktop needs some love

2022-01-20 Thread wirelessduck--- via Dng
> On 20 Jan 2022, at 23:33, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 02:08:12PM -0700, Bob Proulx via Dng wrote: >> goli...@devuan.org wrote: >>> Lars Noodén wrote: What quality of display(s) and color calibration are required? >>> >>> In all the years I have been doing this, that

Re: [DNG] Qt, KDE, unbelievable

2022-01-20 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 20 January 2022 at 14:36:56, Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE via Dng wrote: > I am looking for a way to fake that I'm opening/reading the ads so the > magazine et all get paid but without having my screen actually littered > with ads and especially my ears not molested. That would be nifty. Soun

Re: [DNG] Qt, KDE, unbelievable

2022-01-20 Thread Peter Duffy
That's a neat idea. Good luck with developing it - keep us posted on how it goes. Reminds me a bit of something that occurred to me a long time ago, when I was having to attend an endless stream of pointless, irrelevant, boring meetings. I wondered about virtual meetings: I'd program a "virtual me

Re: [DNG] Question re: security/info sent with emails and more

2022-01-20 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 20/01/2022 à 13:32, o1bigtenor via Dng a écrit : Greetings When I look at the headers from my emails and sometimes available in websites all this information about my system is included. Is there a way to block the sending of this particular information?     First thing: don't use gmail. g

Re: [DNG] Question re: security/info sent with emails and more

2022-01-20 Thread terryc
On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 06:32:39 -0600 o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: > Greetings > > When I look at the headers from my emails and sometimes available > in websites all this information about my system is included. > > Is there a way to block the sending of this particular information? > > Please?? >

Re: [DNG] The Daedalus desktop needs some love

2022-01-20 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 07:03:27AM -0600, o1bigtenor wrote: > On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 6:33 AM Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 02:08:12PM -0700, Bob Proulx via Dng wrote: > > > goli...@devuan.org wrote: > > > > Lars Noodén wrote: > > > > > What quality of display(s) and color ca

Re: [DNG] Qt, KDE, unbelievable

2022-01-20 Thread Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE via Dng
On Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2022 09:30:28 -03 o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: > On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 4:49 AM Steve Litt wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Read this: > > > > https://www.neowin.net/news/ads-may-be-coming-to-kde-the-popular-lin > > ux-desktop/ > > > > LOL, I removed every bit of KDE, its executa

Re: [DNG] The Daedalus desktop needs some love

2022-01-20 Thread o1bigtenor via Dng
On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 6:33 AM Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 02:08:12PM -0700, Bob Proulx via Dng wrote: > > goli...@devuan.org wrote: > > > Lars Noodén wrote: > > > > What quality of display(s) and color calibration are required? > > > > > > In all the years I have been doing t

Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?

2022-01-20 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 10:21:18AM +0100, Antonio Rendina via Dng wrote: > > But returning to the point, I would not reduce a distribution project to its > init. I think that a motto should focus on the consequences: > * more customizable > * more universal > * you can change every part without im

Re: [DNG] Question re: security/info sent with emails and more

2022-01-20 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 20 January 2022 at 13:32:39, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: > Greetings > > When I look at the headers from my emails and sometimes available > in websites all this information about my system is included. a) all what information? b) which email client are you using? > Is there a way to

Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?

2022-01-20 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 11:10:36AM +1100, terryc wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 18:19:38 +0100 (CET) > Karl Hammar wrote: > > > Hendrik: > > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 08:49:41PM -0600, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > > > > > > > On 2022-01-18 16:33, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ma

Re: [DNG] Qt, KDE, unbelievable

2022-01-20 Thread Riccardo Mottola via Dng
Hi Steve, Steve Litt wrote: > https://www.neowin.net/news/ads-may-be-coming-to-kde-the-popular-linux-desktop/ > > LOL, I removed every bit of KDE, its executables and libraries, in > 2012. Mostly for the same reasons I refuse to host systemd. Now comes > the possibility of ads on KDE applications.

[DNG] Question re: security/info sent with emails and more

2022-01-20 Thread o1bigtenor via Dng
Greetings When I look at the headers from my emails and sometimes available in websites all this information about my system is included. Is there a way to block the sending of this particular information? Please?? TIA ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.d

Re: [DNG] The Daedalus desktop needs some love

2022-01-20 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 02:08:12PM -0700, Bob Proulx via Dng wrote: > goli...@devuan.org wrote: > > Lars Noodén wrote: > > > What quality of display(s) and color calibration are required? > > > > In all the years I have been doing this, that question has never entered my > > mind and I have no ide

Re: [DNG] Qt, KDE, unbelievable

2022-01-20 Thread o1bigtenor via Dng
On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 4:49 AM Steve Litt wrote: > > Hi all, > > Read this: > > https://www.neowin.net/news/ads-may-be-coming-to-kde-the-popular-linux-desktop/ > > LOL, I removed every bit of KDE, its executables and libraries, in > 2012. Mostly for the same reasons I refuse to host systemd. Now

Re: [DNG] ntp setup

2022-01-20 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 20 January 2022 at 12:30:20, Steve Litt wrote: > Antony Stone said on Thu, 20 Jan 2022 12:02:08 +0100 > >On Thursday 20 January 2022 at 11:58:32, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > I use openntpd. Is that NTP, or only SNTP? > > > > It's both: https://man.openbsd.org/ntpd > > Thanks Antony, >

Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?

2022-01-20 Thread Harald Arnesen via Dng
Karl Hammar [19/01/2022 18.19]: What is that "if" about, ohh, it is an acronym... Unfortunately it looks like this insurance company's logotype: https://www.if.se/ so, I'd say we cannot use it (it really make me wounder why the authorities allows thoose names). If is owned by the Finnish co

Re: [DNG] ntp setup

2022-01-20 Thread Steve Litt
Antony Stone said on Thu, 20 Jan 2022 12:02:08 +0100 >On Thursday 20 January 2022 at 11:58:32, Steve Litt wrote: > >> I use openntpd. Is that NTP, or only SNTP? > >It's both: https://man.openbsd.org/ntpd > > >Antony. Thanks Antony, After reading that page and man 5 ntpd.conf, I couldn't find o

Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?

2022-01-20 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 20 January 2022 at 12:00:55, Steve Litt wrote: > Antony Stone said on Thu, 20 Jan 2022 11:53:07 +0100 > > >That logo appears on the installer screen every time you create a > >machine. > > I don't pay a lot of attention to aesthetic components unless they're > pointed out to me. I've

Re: [DNG] ntp setup

2022-01-20 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 20 January 2022 at 11:58:32, Steve Litt wrote: > I use openntpd. Is that NTP, or only SNTP? It's both: https://man.openbsd.org/ntpd Antony. -- Most people would be a lot less bothered about what other people think of them if they only realised how seldom they do.

Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?

2022-01-20 Thread Steve Litt
Antony Stone said on Thu, 20 Jan 2022 11:53:07 +0100 >On Thursday 20 January 2022 at 11:39:25, Steve Litt wrote: > >> goli...@devuan.org said on Thu, 20 Jan 2022 00:07:20 -0600 >> >> >THIS is the official Devuan logo: >> > >> >https://git.devuan.org/devuan/documentation/src/branch/master/art/gr

Re: [DNG] ntp setup

2022-01-20 Thread Steve Litt
Rick Moen said on Tue, 22 Jun 2021 01:51:35 -0700 >Quoting Olaf Meeuwissen (paddy-h...@member.fsf.org): > >> I think it's fair to point out that systemd-timesyncd only promises >> Simple NTP (SNTP). How good a job it does of that is another matter >> but at least it explains some of the "quirks"

Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?

2022-01-20 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 20 January 2022 at 11:39:25, Steve Litt wrote: > goli...@devuan.org said on Thu, 20 Jan 2022 00:07:20 -0600 > > >THIS is the official Devuan logo: > > > >https://git.devuan.org/devuan/documentation/src/branch/master/art/graphics > >/devuan-logo-1000x200.png > > Nice! > > Ste

[DNG] Qt, KDE, unbelievable

2022-01-20 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, Read this: https://www.neowin.net/news/ads-may-be-coming-to-kde-the-popular-linux-desktop/ LOL, I removed every bit of KDE, its executables and libraries, in 2012. Mostly for the same reasons I refuse to host systemd. Now comes the possibility of ads on KDE applications. But it's even w

Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?

2022-01-20 Thread Steve Litt
goli...@devuan.org said on Thu, 20 Jan 2022 00:07:20 -0600 >THIS is the official Devuan logo: > >https://git.devuan.org/devuan/documentation/src/branch/master/art/graphics/devuan-logo-1000x200.png Nice! SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Succ

Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?

2022-01-20 Thread aitor
En 20 de enero de 2022 7:41:23 Andrew McGlashan via Dng escribió: On 20/1/22 5:07 pm, goli...@devuan.org wrote: On 2022-01-19 23:08, Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: About the logo, /if/ Okay, then about the IMAGE ... /if/ Yes, more like a slogan :) Aitor Enviado con Aqua Mail pa

Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?

2022-01-20 Thread Antonio Rendina via Dng
Hi, I think that the init system is not the whole point, maybe that is what triggered the fork, but I don't find a distro attractive just because didn't want to switch to systemd. I think that the point is the homogenization of Linux distros and the freedom to have hands-on on a system. As sta