Re: [DNG] Insane defaults on Raspberry Pi images - How to fix corruption/dataloss

2019-11-12 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Anno domini 2019 Tue, 12 Nov 18:14:36 -0800 tom scripsit: > On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 16:51:25 -0700 > Gregory Nowak wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 11:58:06AM -0800, Bruce Ferrell wrote: > > > There are actually a couple of ways around the SD wear issue, even > > > though people seem to dearly L

Re: [DNG] Insane defaults on Raspberry Pi images - How to fix corruption/dataloss

2019-11-12 Thread tom
There is another option I think is worth looking into. There's been word on Samsung adding another filesystem to the Linux kernel called the Flash Friendly FileSystem (F2FS). Perhaps instead of debating disabling the ext4 journal we could just replace it with F2FS? -- __

Re: [DNG] Insane defaults on Raspberry Pi images - How to fix corruption/dataloss

2019-11-12 Thread tom
On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 10:31:27 +0100 Edward Bartolo via Dng wrote: > Hi all, > > The Raspberry Pi is very frequency used with an SD Card which is > highly intolerant of frequent writes as these are limited. My first SD > Card became read only after about six weeks with Devuan running. Using > Rasp

Re: [DNG] Insane defaults on Raspberry Pi images - How to fix corruption/dataloss

2019-11-12 Thread tom
On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 16:51:25 -0700 Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 11:58:06AM -0800, Bruce Ferrell wrote: > > There are actually a couple of ways around the SD wear issue, even > > though people seem to dearly LOVE SSDs with the exact same issue; > > I haven't seen anyone mention

Re: [DNG] Insane defaults on Raspberry Pi images - How to fix corruption/dataloss

2019-11-12 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 11:58:06AM -0800, Bruce Ferrell wrote: > There are actually a couple of ways around the SD wear issue, even though > people seem to dearly LOVE SSDs with the exact same issue; I haven't seen anyone mention even once in this entire thread so far that the rpi supports trimmi

Re: [DNG] Insane defaults on Raspberry Pi images - How to fix corruption/dataloss

2019-11-12 Thread Jim Jackson
On Tue, 12 Nov 2019, Simon Hobson wrote: > Ah yes, to think that many of us routinely carry around in our pockets > more storage, RAM, and CPU capacity than we could have dreamed of having > access to back when I got into IT. Cue obligatory Four Yorkshiremen > sketch :D > https://www.youtub

Re: [DNG] Insane defaults on Raspberry Pi images - How to fix corruption/dataloss

2019-11-12 Thread Simon Hobson
Jim Jackson wrote: > (*) These pi's are a lot more powerfull than the Sun Sparc servers we had > NFS serving user data to 60+ workstations back in the 00's :-) Ah yes, to think that many of us routinely carry around in our pockets more storage, RAM, and CPU capacity than we could have dreamed

Re: [DNG] Insane defaults on Raspberry Pi images - How to fix corruption/dataloss

2019-11-12 Thread Jim Jackson
On Tue, 12 Nov 2019, Edward Bartolo via Dng wrote: > Needless to state, although it seems, it is actually needed for some > people, the Raspberry Pi is not a full blown server, although it can > be used by the hobbyist adolescent who wants to experiment and learn. :-) Like everything, it depe

Re: [DNG] Insane defaults on Raspberry Pi images - How to fix corruption/dataloss

2019-11-12 Thread Bruce Ferrell
On 11/11/19 5:06 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 12:53:26 -0800 tom wrote: On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 16:55:34 +0100 "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" wrote: Anno domini 2019 Fri, 8 Nov 16:36:24 +0100 Joril via Dng scripsit: On 08/11/19 16:21, g4sra via Dng wrote: FYI: ext4 filesystem journaling (a

Re: [DNG] Why is spamassasin compiling here?

2019-11-12 Thread hal
On November 8, 2019 8:26:54 PM CST, tom wrote: :: On Wed, 06 Nov 2019 07:45:56 -0600 :: hal wrote: :: :: > The past few days I have been getting this message from my Devuan :: > ASCII mail host. Anyone know what's up with this? :: > :: > I've installed the libc6-dev-i386 package to see if it s

[DNG] Insane defaults on Raspberry Pi images - How to fix corruption/dataloss

2019-11-12 Thread Edward Bartolo via Dng
Hi all, The Raspberry Pi is very frequency used with an SD Card which is highly intolerant of frequent writes as these are limited. My first SD Card became read only after about six weeks with Devuan running. Using Raspbian, this issue did not repeat itself. Needless to state, although it seems,

Re: [DNG] Insane defaults on Raspberry Pi images - How to fix corruption/dataloss

2019-11-12 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Anno domini 2019 Tue, 12 Nov 09:05:30 +0100 Adam Borowski scripsit: > On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 08:06:26PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > > I really don't think data-loss is an acceptable compromise just to > > > reduce wear. > > > > Lack of a journal doesn't necessarily mean data loss. It just means

Re: [DNG] Insane defaults on Raspberry Pi images - How to fix corruption/dataloss

2019-11-12 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 08:06:26PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > I really don't think data-loss is an acceptable compromise just to > > reduce wear. > > Lack of a journal doesn't necessarily mean data loss. It just means > that you might need to run fsck.ext4 on the drive after unmounting. > Occasi