Re: [DNG] OT: Mutuality and harmlessness

2018-11-25 Thread golinux
Six words of clarity to counter the verbose confusion in this thread: These mental states generate suffering for oneself and others: lobha: craving, desire, greed, covetousness. dosa: aversion, anger, hatred. moha: delusion, ignorance, confusion, bewilderment. These mental states are beneficial

Re: [DNG] OT: Mutuality and harmlessness

2018-11-25 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 05:14:44PM -0800, spiralofhope wrote: > On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 09:27:20 +0100 > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > At this point I'm trying to understand your perspective better, since > maybe there are things to learn. I did notice I can articulate myself > a bit better now. So

Re: [DNG] Mutuality and harmlessness

2018-11-25 Thread spiralofhope
On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 20:40:28 + blinkdog wrote: > This discussion reminds me of a particularly apt web comic: > > https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2011-11-01 That's awesome. And correct-ish. It's not objectively wrong to scare children. Still, anyone who disagrees is _a monster_ (under t

Re: [DNG] Mutuality and harmlessness

2018-11-25 Thread spiralofhope
On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 09:27:20 +0100 Martin Steigerwald wrote: At this point I'm trying to understand your perspective better, since maybe there are things to learn. I did notice I can articulate myself a bit better now. So even if it's a perspective either alien to you or not useful to you, I ho

Re: [DNG] Mutuality and harmlessness

2018-11-25 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Hendrik Boom - 25.11.18, 15:32: > On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 09:27:20AM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > I can be perfectly honest to some apparent other, without ever > > choosing to hurt him, her or cis. (There may be other words or ways > > to refer to non binary genders in English. Yes, even g

Re: [DNG] Mutuality and harmlessness

2018-11-25 Thread blinkdog
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, November 25, 2018 12:18 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > For me there is no right or wrong. At least not a generally accepted > > one. Right or wrong in itself is an ego thing. Ask 10 people about > > what they deem right and wrong and receive 10 different a

Re: [DNG] Mutuality and harmlessness

2018-11-25 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 09:27:20 +0100 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Hello Spiral of Hope. > > Thank you for your point of view. > > spiralofhope - 24.11.18, 18:24: > > Now > > > > > what happens if I let go any belief that some of them are true or > > > right, preferably my own, and some of them

Re: [DNG] Mutuality and harmlessness

2018-11-25 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 09:27:20AM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > I can be perfectly honest to some apparent other, without ever choosing > to hurt him, her or cis. (There may be other words or ways to refer to > non binary genders in English. Yes, even gender does not appear to be > bin

Re: [DNG] Mutuality and harmlessness

2018-11-25 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Hello Spiral of Hope. Thank you for your point of view. spiralofhope - 24.11.18, 18:24: > Now > > > what happens if I let go any belief that some of them are true or > > right, preferably my own, and some of them are false or wrong, > > preferably those of apparent others? What is beyond true or