On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 05:14:44PM -0800, spiralofhope wrote: > On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 09:27:20 +0100 > Martin Steigerwald <mar...@lichtvoll.de> wrote: > > At this point I'm trying to understand your perspective better, since > maybe there are things to learn. I did notice I can articulate myself > a bit better now. So even if it's a perspective either alien to you or > not useful to you, I hope you can clarify yourself if you need to. > > Ultimately what I've learned is: > > Sometimes it's pointless or harmful to engage in a contest of opinions > > > > spiralofhope - 24.11.18, 18:24: > > > The binary is real. > > > > For me it is not. It is just part of the illusion. > > I had some time to think about this topic, and postmodernist > opinion-based reality came to mind. I'm not applying that to you, but > I wonder if that's what colored my earlier response. > > I like the separateness you described for yourself. Do I understand > your perspective something like so?: > > It's efficient and less egoistic (or just less stressful) to withdraw > from fighting to determine the very existence of a scale or axis that > has a binary perspective. > > Though I am thinking of your perspective tentatively, as though you are > saying that "you don't participate" rather than you saying "it doesn't > and can't possibly exist". Your forest example shows that you can gel > into a solid opinion, ethic, and action. > > > > Or does that even mean I am not engaging with… what you called self- > > improvement? I do… > > I get that now, thinking of your forest example. > > > > Looking into memory, whenever I attacked someone > > else in person all I received is: Resistance. Yet, resistance does > > not ever help to change anything. > > A side note: This could spin off into discussing the value of > antagonism. For example, I think it says a lot that we now think of > "argument" negatively. > > > > Yes, even gender does not appear to be binary. > > I'm leaving that alone, but I'm told that's a red flag indicating > postmodernist ideology.
It may well be a red flag that the postmodernists wave to induce you to tread in the direction of meaninglessness (a direction I choose not to take). But I've discovered it's also true, even on a purely physical level. But it's a useful approximation, most of the time. Even binary bits, 0, and 1, aren't all that binary when you look how they are represented physically. A big part of low-level internet protocols are there just to achieve reliable communication despite the presence of atrociously misformed ones and zeros. > > > > Actually when I attack some apparent other in person, all I do is to > > hurt myself. I opted out of the hurting cycle, cause it does not > > contribute to happiness. > > That's wrong. Technically and objectively wrong. That's the toxic > feminine (and contemporary postmodernist) perspective. > > Mothering and avoiding hurt is _not_ the always best way, it is _not_ > always helping, and it does _not_ always contribute to happiness. Not > nearly in the long-term way. It's just neurotic dodging. (though the > opposite, whatever those things are, certainly aren't better) > > There is the concept of helping someone face toward the outside of > their safe bubble, even pushing them toward it or out of that comfort > zone. This has been demonstrably successful for stronger, healthier, > happier people. That does begin with the very difficult problem of > resistance (a good description), and overcoming it (ethically). > > Being pushed, or especially pushing one's self out of comfort is > terrifying but incredibly valuable long-term. I think this comment > still applies: > > > Nobody loves you who withholds their opinion to save your ego. > > Maybe I should also say things like: > > - expressing love isn't always about comforting > - comfort isn't happiness > - improvement hurts now, but is rewarding later > > I think these ideas are what I was getting at when I link a too-strong > concern for happiness or love with lacking self-improvement. Everything in moderation. Even moderation in moderation. -- hendrik _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
