Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

2018-09-11 Thread Mark Rousell
On 12/09/2018 07:34, Mark Rousell wrote: > By the way, the link I offered ( > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/ ) is the demo server linked > from the official HyperKittty docs here: > https://hyperkitty.readthedocs.io/en/latest/mailman/listinfo/dng HyperKitty (along with Postorius) being

Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

2018-09-11 Thread Mark Rousell
On 12/09/2018 07:23, Don Wright wrote: > Mark Rousell wrote: > >> Although it's still something of a work in progress, it seems that >> MM3/Postorius/HyperKitty might be a possible solution in that case. >> >> (That said, I've just tested the search function on the MM3 demo system >> at https://lis

Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

2018-09-11 Thread Don Wright
Mark Rousell wrote: >Although it's still something of a work in progress, it seems that >MM3/Postorius/HyperKitty might be a possible solution in that case. > >(That said, I've just tested the search function on the MM3 demo system >at https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/ and I have to admit

Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

2018-09-11 Thread Mark Rousell
On 12/09/2018 06:42, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > Apologies to Mark for not hitting reply-to-list the first time. No worries. > A web-based search function is non-negotiable. I really don't want all > that sitting in my local system. Fair enough. Although it's still something of a work in progress

Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

2018-09-11 Thread Mark Rousell
On 12/09/2018 05:54, Mark Rousell wrote: > Take a look at Postorius and HyperKitty, the new web UI archiver for > Mailman3. > > According to the HyperKitty docs at > https://hyperkitty.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ this is a demo system: > https://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Doh, sorry. T

Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

2018-09-11 Thread golinux
Apologies to Mark for not hitting reply-to-list the first time. Original Message Subject: Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course Date: 2018-09-12 00:39 From: goli...@dyne.org To: Mark Rous

Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

2018-09-11 Thread Mark Rousell
On 11/09/2018 14:55, Steve Litt wrote: > As far as fixing Lurker, why not use a different archive machine? Even > when Lurker works, I find using its representation of email history > almost inscrutable. Every other Mailman-run mailing list has a nice, > easy archive, although they usually aren't s

Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

2018-09-11 Thread Mark Rousell
On 11/09/2018 02:37, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > Although your donation would always be welcome, the roadblock is not > financial but deciding what archiver to use and then finding the time > to do it. Feel free to share your suggestions. We do have backups > including all of the mail that has gone m

Re: [DNG] Mailman replacement

2018-09-11 Thread pekman
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 10:24:42 +0200 Stephane Ascoet wrote: > Hi, I warmly suggest Sympa. It's the very far best free mailing lists > manager. For me, the best is mlmmj: http://mlmmj.org/ 1. Fast 2. Clear no bloated 3. Easely Manager 4. minimal system requirement Test it.

Re: [DNG] Downloadable CIDR network calculator

2018-09-11 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Steve Litt - 11.09.18, 16:01: > I've created a downloadable CIDR network calculator, whose sole > dependency is Python3. It runs in any terminal or terminal emulator on > any Linux or presumably BSD machine. > > http://troubleshooters.com/linux/cidr_calc.htm Thanks for sharing. So far I just use

Re: [DNG] Second system effect: was Mailman replacement

2018-09-11 Thread Harald Arnesen
Rick Moen [2018-09-11 21:48]: > You're very welcome. I'll also add that, if you haven't yet read Fred > Brooks's classic about software engineering, _The Mythical Man-Month_, > from which the term comes, you have a treat in store for yourself. It's > both enlightening and entertaining. One of t

Re: [DNG] Second system effect: was Mailman replacement

2018-09-11 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > I never before heard of second system effects, but such systems > abound, and really need a name for the concept. Thanks for referencing > the definition. You're very welcome. I'll also add that, if you haven't yet read Fred Brooks's classic abou

Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

2018-09-11 Thread golinux
On 2018-09-11 02:49, KatolaZ wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 10:10:04PM -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote: On 2018-09-10 20:51, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sun, Sep 09, 2018 at 10:04:28AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > I was going to use this email message as a reference in some > > documentation I'm writ

[DNG] Downloadable CIDR network calculator

2018-09-11 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, I've created a downloadable CIDR network calculator, whose sole dependency is Python3. It runs in any terminal or terminal emulator on any Linux or presumably BSD machine. http://troubleshooters.com/linux/cidr_calc.htm SteveT Steve Litt September 2018 featured book: Quit Joblessness:

[DNG] Second system effect: was Mailman replacement

2018-09-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 03:28:00 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > (I'm so far particularly unimpressed with HyperKitty, > but the Mailman 3 design as a whole makes me suspect Second-System > Effect, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-system_effect .) And of course this entire group was founded as an alter

Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

2018-09-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 09:49:35 +0200 KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 10:10:04PM -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > On 2018-09-10 20:51, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Sun, Sep 09, 2018 at 10:04:28AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > I was going to use this email message as a reference in

Re: [DNG] Mailman replacement

2018-09-11 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org): > I have no experience of Mailman 3 but I have started experimenting > with it a bit. I guess we could use v3 instead of v2 for the new > server. The REST API is useful, but not necessary to configure the ML, > so we could set it up and then experiment with

Re: [DNG] Mailman replacement

2018-09-11 Thread KatolaZ
On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 10:49:58AM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > > dear Katolaz > > On Tue, 11 Sep 2018, KatolaZ wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 10:24:42AM +0200, Stephane Ascoet wrote: > > > Hi, I warmly suggest Sympa. It's the very far best free mailing lists > > > manager. > > > > we have no

Re: [DNG] Mailman replacement

2018-09-11 Thread Jaromil
dear Katolaz On Tue, 11 Sep 2018, KatolaZ wrote: > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 10:24:42AM +0200, Stephane Ascoet wrote: > > Hi, I warmly suggest Sympa. It's the very far best free mailing lists > > manager. > > we have no reason at all to replace mailman, which is working > absolutely fine :) I'm

Re: [DNG] Mailman replacement

2018-09-11 Thread KatolaZ
On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 10:24:42AM +0200, Stephane Ascoet wrote: > Hi, I warmly suggest Sympa. It's the very far best free mailing lists > manager. > -- > Cordialement, Stephane Ascoet > Hi, we have no reason at all to replace mailman, which is working absolutely fine :) My2Cents KatolaZ --

Re: [DNG] Mailman replacement

2018-09-11 Thread Stephane Ascoet
Hi, I warmly suggest Sympa. It's the very far best free mailing lists manager. -- Cordialement, Stephane Ascoet ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

2018-09-11 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 09:51:38PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sun, Sep 09, 2018 at 10:04:28AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > I was going to use this email message as a reference in some > > documentation I'm writing, but this email is not in the mail archive, > > or at least I can't find it the

Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

2018-09-11 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 10:10:04PM -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > On 2018-09-10 20:51, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 09, 2018 at 10:04:28AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > I was going to use this email message as a reference in some > > > documentation I'm writing, but this email is not in

Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

2018-09-11 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 10:10:04PM -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > On 2018-09-10 20:51, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 09, 2018 at 10:04:28AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > I was going to use this email message as a reference in some > > > documentation I'm writing, but this email is not in