Am 26.07.2016 um 16:14 schrieb KatolaZ:
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 03:53:22PM +0200, info at smallinnovations.nl wrote:
>> At the moment the Pi 2 beta image is ... well ... bare, even the main module
>> bcm2835 is not installed by default. To be attractive to those new users we
>> should have a imag
Le 26/07/2016 13:28, fsmithred a écrit :
On 07/25/2016 06:09 PM, Didier Kryn wrote:
Le 25/07/2016 23:35, fsmithred a écrit :
Either way, it
looks like libsystemd is passively providing code for something else to
use.
Calling a function does not mean that this function passively provides
c
Le 26/07/2016 12:59, Rainer Weikusat a écrit :
Didier Kryn writes:
Le 25/07/2016 01:29, Rainer Weikusat a écrit :
Sleeping on a contended mutex is implemented in this way. But that's
supposed to be an exceptional case.
This is why, while advertizing itself as a cool "don't care"
feature,
On 07/27/2016 01:57 PM, Simon Walter wrote:
On 07/27/2016 01:54 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 19:10:00 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com):
On 07/27/2016 01:56 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Go Linux (goli...@yahoo.com):
This is a must read on the p
On 07/27/2016 01:54 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 19:10:00 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com):
On 07/27/2016 01:56 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Go Linux (goli...@yahoo.com):
This is a must read on the politics and votes that ensured a
systemd future
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 19:10:00 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com):
>
> > On 07/27/2016 01:56 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
> > >Quoting Go Linux (goli...@yahoo.com):
> > >
> > >>This is a must read on the politics and votes that ensured a
> > >>systemd future for debian:
>
Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com):
> On 07/27/2016 01:56 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
> >Quoting Go Linux (goli...@yahoo.com):
> >
> >>This is a must read on the politics and votes that ensured a systemd future
> >>for debian:
> >>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=120652
> >
> >To my as
On 07/27/2016 01:56 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Go Linux (goli...@yahoo.com):
This is a must read on the politics and votes that ensured a systemd future for
debian:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=120652
To my astonishment and pleasure, I found this well argued, reasonable,
a
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 11:35:25 -0400
Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 07:58:19AM -0500, dev wrote:
>
> > Systemd isn't going to stop at just init. There are far to many
> > opportunities to embrace, extend and extinguish entire
> > distributions.
>
> A point of grammar: Wrong verb
On 07/26/2016 04:42 PM, KatolaZ wrote:
On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 03:53:22PM +0200, info at smallinnovations.nl wrote:
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>
>At the moment the Pi 2 beta image is ... well ... bare, even the main module
>bcm2835 is not installed by default. To be attractive to those new users we
>should have
On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 07:58:19AM -0500, dev wrote:
> Systemd isn't going to stop at just init. There are far to many
> opportunities to embrace, extend and extinguish entire distributions.
A point of grammar: Wrong verb tense.
Systemd hasn't stopped at just init,
-- hendrik
__
I'd love to have devuan running on a home ARM server. So long I
haven't seen suitable hardware.
To replace my present server, I need something that has twp ethernet
ports, can drive multiple SATA drives (two needed, four would be nice),
has USB ports, and can be connected to a keyboard, mouse,
[I made an overdue Subject header change.]
Quoting fsmithred (fsmith...@gmail.com):
> I did try both of those, and we clearly have different tastes. My first
> impressions of LXQt are that it's as pretty as IceWM (pretty ugly) at
> twice the ram, but at least it has graphical configuration tools
Quoting Rainer Weikusat (rweiku...@talktalk.net):
> Rick Moen writes:
> > Quoting Rainer Weikusat (rweiku...@talktalk.net):
> >
> >> To re-iterate this:
> >
> > [more very strangely worded, difficult-to-parse prose, seemingly alleging
> > that library libsystemd0 can be used to insert 'calls' in
Quoting dev (devua...@gmail.com):
> On 07/26/2016 04:26 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
>
> >libsystemd0's status as a bundle of interface code that does nothing in
> >the absence of systemd is not because it's a library -- obviously -- but
> >rather because all it _contains_ is interface code that does noth
Quoting Go Linux (goli...@yahoo.com):
> This is a must read on the politics and votes that ensured a systemd future
> for debian:
> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=120652
To my astonishment and pleasure, I found this well argued, reasonable,
and a good effort to cast light on a com
On Tue, 7/26/16, Rick Moen wrote:
Subject: Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Tuesday, July 26, 2016, 4:09 AM
Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com):
> Did the Debian leadership do a poll to find out what their users
> wanted and who were their typical users?
To the ba
Le 26/07/2016 09:27, Edward Bartolo a écrit :
Simon Walker wrote:
<<
Here's the thing: most users will be entirely happy with fully
uncustomized systemd. It will suspend your laptop if you close the
lid, and even give your download manager veto power. I fully support
Debian's decision to use syst
On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 12:07:31PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> I think you meant to write coroutines, not closures, as that's what go
> adopted based on Hoare's 'Communicating Sequential Processes'. That's
> also pretty 'old stuff'. It's also unfortunately an instace of something
> which should
Didier Kryn writes:
> Le 25/07/2016 23:35, fsmithred a écrit :
>> Either way, it
>> looks like libsystemd is passively providing code for something else to
>> use.
> Calling a function does not mean that this function passively
> provides code to the caller.
But the library does that (or at l
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:52:32 +0200, Stephan wrote in message
<20160726t134403.ga.9b7e6.s...@fsing.rootsland.net>:
> By the way, the systemd-shim package was orphaned in Debian (bug
> #832508). Neither the current maintainers nor upstream are interested
> in it anymore.
..can we use it (at least
dev wrote:
<<
It seems I cannot have a functioning Apache system on Debian 8 without
installing at least some minimal facet of systemd and that's
problematic if not for any other reason than simply being an
unnecesary dependency. What this all really illustrates is the
insidious nature of systemd a
On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 03:53:22PM +0200, info at smallinnovations.nl wrote:
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>
> At the moment the Pi 2 beta image is ... well ... bare, even the main module
> bcm2835 is not installed by default. To be attractive to those new users we
> should have a image available with a minimal desktop
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From: "Simon Walter"
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Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news
On 07/26/2016 08:03 AM, Adam Borowski wrote:
On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 10:06:09PM +, hellekin wrote:
On 07/25/2016 06:07 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
This is a screensh
One of the fronts we can promote Devuan is on ARM based credit card
computers like Raspberry Pi 2 and 3. Most users of these computers are
new linux users and will have no opinion about systemd but if they can
get a fast booting small system they surely will appreciate that.
And especially the
On 07/26/2016 09:58 PM, dev wrote:
On 07/26/2016 04:26 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
libsystemd0's status as a bundle of interface code that does nothing in
the absence of systemd is not because it's a library -- obviously -- but
rather because all it _contains_ is interface code that does nothing in
On 26/07/16 03:27, Simon Walter wrote:
>
> I have a question about what Simon Richter said on his
> blog(http://www.simonrichter.eu/blog/2016-03-03-why-sysvinit.html):
>
> "Here's the thing: most users will be entirely happy with fully
> uncustomized systemd. It will suspend your laptop if you c
On 07/26/2016 04:26 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
libsystemd0's status as a bundle of interface code that does nothing in
the absence of systemd is not because it's a library -- obviously -- but
rather because all it _contains_ is interface code that does nothing in
the absence of systemd
Well now, i
On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 02:09:42AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
I personally wish there _had_ been pondering of a guiding plan at this
point -- and that the Project had decided to dump GNOME, which would
have made the original problem go away. Unfortunately, that was not the
Maybe this problem, but
On 07/26/2016 06:09 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com):
Did the Debian leadership do a poll to find out what their users
wanted and who were their typical users?
To the based of my recollection, no.
To be clear, in the blog passage you quoted, Simon Richter (whoever
On 07/25/2016 06:09 PM, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 25/07/2016 23:35, fsmithred a écrit :
>> Either way, it
>> looks like libsystemd is passively providing code for something else to
>> use.
> Calling a function does not mean that this function passively provides
> code to the caller. What happens
Rick Moen writes:
> Quoting Rainer Weikusat (rweiku...@talktalk.net):
>
>> To re-iterate this:
>
> [more very strangely worded, difficult-to-parse prose, seemingly alleging
> that library libsystemd0 can be used to insert 'calls' into unrelated
> applications -- which assertion in my view does no
Jaromil writes:
> On Sun, 24 Jul 2016, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
>> Didier Kryn writes:
>> > Le 22/07/2016 18:21, Brian Nash a écrit :
>> >> For example, when I discovered multithreading, all my programs used it
>> >> in some way, even when it was unnecessary.
>> >
>> > I sometimes use multithreadi
Didier Kryn writes:
> Le 25/07/2016 01:29, Rainer Weikusat a écrit :
>> Sleeping on a contended mutex is implemented in this way. But that's
>> supposed to be an exceptional case.
>
> This is why, while advertizing itself as a cool "don't care"
> feature, a mutex is problematic:
I don't know
On 07/25/2016 05:57 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
> If you ever feel like trying a less-brittle Desktop Environment ('DE'),
> consider LXQt or Enlightenment. (A more-radical step would be no DE at
> all, which is my personal preference. To me, a DE is a goulash of apps I
> want with ones I don't, so I se
Quoting Simon Hobson (li...@thehobsons.co.uk):
> And you've gone on to keep extrapolating that "that's all a library does".
No, that's all that _this_ library does. And, no, I did not
'extrapolate' anything. If you think so, you didn't read what I wrote
correctly, and ought to fix that.
libsys
Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com):
> Did the Debian leadership do a poll to find out what their users
> wanted and who were their typical users?
To the based of my recollection, no.
To be clear, in the blog passage you quoted, Simon Richter (whoever _he_
is) _didn't assert_ that Debian P
Rick Moen wrote:
>> OK, that's what I thought, which is at odds with some comments that have
>> been made.
>
> Well, if you're referring to 'comments that have been made' about
> libsystemd0, the more useful (IMO) comments characterised what is
> actually present in that library, that it contai
On 07/26/2016 04:27 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote:
Simon Walker wrote:
<<
Here's the thing: most users will be entirely happy with fully
uncustomized systemd. It will suspend your laptop if you close the
lid, and even give your download manager veto power. I fully support
Debian's decision to use syst
On 07/26/2016 03:45 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 11:27:20 +0900
Simon Walter wrote:
We need to drive a wedge into the FOSS community and separate the
desktop users from the professionals. I am sorry to be divisive, but
the water is under the bridge and the damage has already been
Simon Walker wrote:
<<
Here's the thing: most users will be entirely happy with fully
uncustomized systemd. It will suspend your laptop if you close the
lid, and even give your download manager veto power. I fully support
Debian's decision to use systemd as the default init for new installs,
becaus
Steve Litt wrote:
> I wouldn't split it desktop/server or desktop/professional. It didn't
> split that way. Very truthfully, it split smart guys vs dumb guys, with
> the dumb ones remaining in Debian.
I think you're conflating being intelligent with having values
similar to your own.
Debian and o
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