Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-24 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Steve Litt writes: I'm not sure the preceding sentence yields a mutual exclusivity, but yes, I really would like that history lesson, as this is something that has bothered me for a long time. The WM is regulated by the ICCCP, which basically talks about how windows interact with each other an

Re: [DNG] Meaningful and concise posts: was Dng Digest, Vol 19, Issue 76

2016-04-24 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 12:05:01AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > I see you receive the digest version of this list's posts. Many people > do. People on the digest have a responsibility to change the subject > line to the subject of the post to which they're responding. They also > have the responsibil

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

2016-04-24 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 04:01:33 + Stephanie Daugherty wrote: > I'd like to see a long term focus on removing the entanglement with > other invasive dependencies, particularly those which are likely to > be folded into systemd in the future, and on staying true to the Unix > philosophy. > > DBUS

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

2016-04-24 Thread Stephanie Daugherty
I'd like to see a long term focus on removing the entanglement with other invasive dependencies, particularly those which are likely to be folded into systemd in the future, and on staying true to the Unix philosophy. DBUS and PulseAudio are freedesktop backed technologies which are likely to be f

[DNG] Meaningful and concise posts: was Dng Digest, Vol 19, Issue 76

2016-04-24 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 16:31:24 -0400 Vaughn Kenny wrote: > Linux mint mate desktop as far as I know works without systemd. Hi Kenny, I see you receive the digest version of this list's posts. Many people do. People on the digest have a responsibility to change the subject line to the subject of t

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-24 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 21:43:55 +0300 Mitt Green wrote: > ‎   Steve Litt wrote:‎ > > LXDE and IceWM have pretty much identical user > > interfaces and functionalities, except LXDE has a few > > more peripheral utilities. > > And that is what makes it a DE. Which brings us back to the original p

Re: [DNG] Skype: Re: What do we want for ascii ?

2016-04-24 Thread Brad Campbell
On 22/04/16 15:56, Svante Signell wrote: On Fri, 2016-04-22 at 15:26 +0800, Brad Campbell wrote: On 22/04/16 12:51, Joel Roth wrote: Skype for Linux, OTOH, *is* stale (and last time I checked was tricky to install) AIUI intentionally so due to Microsoft's special love for Linux. brad@bkmac

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-24 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 02:14:37PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > If that's your definition, then there is indeed a clear line of > demarcation. And that well may be the definition. My definition is that a window manager is somethig that interacts with X useing the protocols X sets aside for windo

Re: [DNG] Gtk Development

2016-04-24 Thread Mitt Green
‎  aitor_czr wrote: > Here you are an example about how to build a > gtkmm application using cmake: [...] Hey, Let me put my two cents in. I wouldn't be using both gtkmm and CMake. GTK+ by itself is not very beautiful (glib), GTK+3 just sucks, but gtkmm implements this using C++. CMake is writ

Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 19, Issue 76

2016-04-24 Thread Vaughn Kenny
160424193724.GA19408@hansolo> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Sun, 24 Apr 2016, Haines Brown wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 03:41:51PM +0100, dev1fanboy wrote: > > > > > When you say installed debootstrap on a new disk, you mean the

[DNG] Gtk Development

2016-04-24 Thread aitor_czr
Hi all, Here you are an example about how to build a gtkmm application using cmake: www.gnuinos.org/PrintPDF This is the same example as: https://developer.gnome.org/gtkmm-tutorial/3.20/gtkmm-tutorial.html#sec-printing-example including some changes in the code. I'll explain them later. The

Re: [DNG] debootstrap requires key

2016-04-24 Thread parazyd
On Sun, 24 Apr 2016, Haines Brown wrote: > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 03:41:51PM +0100, dev1fanboy wrote: > > > When you say installed debootstrap on a new disk, you mean the host > > OS? What architecture is the host and the 'target' disk, are they > > different? > > Sorry I was not clearer. I mea

Re: [DNG] debootstrap requires key

2016-04-24 Thread Haines Brown
On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 03:41:51PM +0100, dev1fanboy wrote: > When you say installed debootstrap on a new disk, you mean the host > OS? What architecture is the host and the 'target' disk, are they > different? Sorry I was not clearer. I meant debootstrap installed a base system on a new disk.

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-24 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 24/04/2016 20:17, Steve Litt a écrit : On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 10:38:04 +0100 Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: Steve Litt writes: I've never been afraid of sounding ignorant, especially when I'm right. Uhm. One more thing: I think this whole wm/de thing is a useless distinction that never should hav

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-24 Thread Mitt Green
‎   Steve Litt wrote:‎ > So, if I took dwm, packaged it with the fbpanel > panel, an fbpanel config tool, Why would you use fbpanel with dwm though, the default bar is pretty hackable. Certainly, if you need a window list, then why not, but since dwm is a tiling window manager by default (and mo

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-24 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 10:38:04 +0100 Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Steve Litt writes: > > I've never been afraid of sounding ignorant, especially when I'm > > right. > > Uhm. > > > One more thing: I think this whole wm/de thing is a useless > > distinction that never should have been made. > > I

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-24 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 14:12:18 +0300 Mitt Green wrote: > I suppose, he meant that there's a  fine line between > a window manager and a DE sometimes. Thanks Mitt, What I really meant is there's a very fuzzy line. As I stated before, a spectrum. > EDE (Equinox Desktop Environment) includes only

Re: [DNG] debootstrap requires key

2016-04-24 Thread dev1fanboy
When you say installed debootstrap on a new disk, you mean the host OS? What architecture is the host and the 'target' disk, are they different? Cheers, chillfan On Saturday, April 23, 2016 9:04 PM, Haines Brown wrote: > On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 05:46:10PM +0100, dev1fanboy wrote: > >> If I re

Re: [DNG] funny little program

2016-04-24 Thread Rainer Weikusat
hal writes: > tilt! wrote on 04/23/2016 02:02 PM: >> Am 22.04.2016 um 21:52 schrieb Rainer Weikusat: >>> People who may not know it yet but who are (like me) prone to >>> inverting two letter command names every once in a while might want >>> to have a look at the sl package/ program. >> >> Unfor

Re: [DNG] devuan-jessie-i386-alpha4-netboot.iso has AMD64 files?

2016-04-24 Thread Haines Brown
On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 05:53:38AM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: > > On 04/24/2016 12:57 AM, Haines Brown wrote: > > I downloaded devuan-jessie-i386-alpha4-netboot.iso and installed it on a > key with unetbootin. However, it would not boot, and when I looked more > closely at it I find tha

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-24 Thread aitor_czr
On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 17:08:10 +0900 Simon Walter wrote: On 04/22/2016 11:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > >>In my opinion there's no magic line where things on one side are > >>window > >> >managers and things on the other side are desktop environments. I > >> >think we can all agree that Unity, KDE a

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-24 Thread aitor_czr
Hi, On 04/24/2016 09:26 AM, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: Oh, and I claim authorship of the thing that Aitor agreed with: It was me who said that, not KatolaZ. SteveT You are right. Dng Digest, Vol 19, Issue 62 (message 4) was a reply to your comment. Sorry..., my bad :) Cheers,

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-24 Thread Mitt Green
‎     Didier Kryn wrote: ‎ > Sorry Steve but there is a technical difference. l > Wikipedia: [...] > Talking of ignorance is excessive; but let's try to > disentangle things. I suppose, he meant that there's a  fine line between a window manager and a DE sometimes. EDE (Equinox Desktop Environme

Re: [DNG] funny little program

2016-04-24 Thread hal
tilt! wrote on 04/23/2016 02:02 PM: > Am 22.04.2016 um 21:52 schrieb Rainer Weikusat: >> People who may not know it yet but who are (like me) prone to >> inverting two letter command names every once in a while might want >> to have a look at the sl package/ program. > > Unfortunately it is not po

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-24 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 24/04/2016 08:48, Steve Litt a écrit : On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 17:08:10 +0900 Simon Walter wrote: On 04/23/2016 04:20 PM, aitor_czr wrote: On 04/22/2016 11:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote: In my opinion there's no magic line where things on one side are window managers and things on the other side are

Re: [DNG] funny little program

2016-04-24 Thread Mitt Green
Rainer Weikusat wrote: People who may not know it yet but who are (like me) prone to inverting two letter command names every once in a while might want to have a look at the sl package/ program. https://github.com/nvbn/thefuck (package exists in the repos) https://twitter.com/liamosaur/statu

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-24 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Steve Litt writes: I've never been afraid of sounding ignorant, especially when I'm right. Uhm. One more thing: I think this whole wm/de thing is a useless distinction that never should have been made. I suppose I count as an old fart, because I was around twenty-plus years ago, when it wa

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-24 Thread KatolaZ
On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 11:09:37AM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Am Sonntag, 24. April 2016 schrieb Hendrik Boom: > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 11:00:21AM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > Am Sonntag, 24. April 2016 schrieb Hendrik Boom: > > > > > One more thing: I think this whole wm/de th

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-24 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Am Sonntag, 24. April 2016 schrieb Hendrik Boom: > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 11:00:21AM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > Am Sonntag, 24. April 2016 schrieb Hendrik Boom: > > > > One more thing: I think this whole wm/de thing is a useless > > > > distinction that never should have been made. > > >

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-24 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 11:00:21AM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Am Sonntag, 24. April 2016 schrieb Hendrik Boom: > > > One more thing: I think this whole wm/de thing is a useless > > > distinction that never should have been made. > > > > The point at which I consider that it's no longer a w

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-24 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Am Sonntag, 24. April 2016 schrieb Hendrik Boom: > > One more thing: I think this whole wm/de thing is a useless > > distinction that never should have been made. > > The point at which I consider that it's no longer a window manager is > when it starts to interfere with the conventions X set up.

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-24 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 02:48:24AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 17:08:10 +0900 > Simon Walter wrote: > > > On 04/23/2016 04:20 PM, aitor_czr wrote: > > > > > > On 04/22/2016 11:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > > >> In my opinion there's no magic line where things on one side are > > >

Re: [DNG] Problems installing Devuan from netboot iso

2016-04-24 Thread Rowland Penny
On 24/04/16 09:41, Daniel Reurich wrote: On 24/04/16 20:36, Rowland Penny wrote: On 24/04/16 06:01, Daniel Reurich wrote: Hi Rowland On 24/04/16 02:21, Rowland Penny wrote: Hi, I am trying to install Devuan in a VM and it isn't working. I created A Devuan VM midweek and it succeeded. This ti

Re: [DNG] Problems installing Devuan from netboot iso

2016-04-24 Thread Daniel Reurich
On 24/04/16 20:36, Rowland Penny wrote: > On 24/04/16 06:01, Daniel Reurich wrote: >> Hi Rowland >> >> On 24/04/16 02:21, Rowland Penny wrote: >>> Hi, I am trying to install Devuan in a VM and it isn't working. I >>> created A Devuan VM midweek and it succeeded. >>> >>> This time, when it gets to '

Re: [DNG] Problems installing Devuan from netboot iso

2016-04-24 Thread Rowland Penny
On 24/04/16 06:01, Daniel Reurich wrote: Hi Rowland On 24/04/16 02:21, Rowland Penny wrote: Hi, I am trying to install Devuan in a VM and it isn't working. I created A Devuan VM midweek and it succeeded. This time, when it gets to 'Configure the package manager' it seems to set up the package

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-24 Thread Igor Živković
On 04/24/2016 08:48 AM, Steve Litt wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 17:08:10 +0900 Simon Walter wrote: On 04/23/2016 04:20 PM, aitor_czr wrote: On 04/22/2016 11:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote: In my opinion there's no magic line where things on one side are window managers and things on the other side ar