Le 24/04/2016 08:48, Steve Litt a écrit :
On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 17:08:10 +0900
Simon Walter <si...@gikaku.com> wrote:
On 04/23/2016 04:20 PM, aitor_czr wrote:
On 04/22/2016 11:17 AM, KatolaZ <kato...@freaknet.org> wrote:
In my opinion there's no magic line where things on one side are
window
managers and things on the other side are desktop environments. I
think we can all agree that Unity, KDE and Gnome are desktop
environments, and dwm and i3 are window managers, but what's
Xfce? What's LXDE? What's Openbox?
I think of de/wm as a spectrum, not a 1/0.
I agree with you, there is not a borderline.
It doesn't matter how much you agree on an opinion. That will not
make it fact. There is a technical difference between the two. Just
look up the definition of "window manager" and "desktop environment"
on any techsite/dictionary/encyclopedia. Unless you are trying to
sound ignorant, it would make sense to use the correct terminology.
I've never been afraid of sounding ignorant, especially when I'm right.
All the X environments I've ever seen have window managers to manipulate
and add decorations to windows. Most X environments I've seen have
programs added on to the basic window manager to work with it,
configure it, and add features to it. So the question is: How much
software is added to the software that manages and decorates windows?
And that answer varies across a spectrum, according to the
wm/de/whatever you're discussing.
By the way, anyone wanting to take "sounding ignorant" to the next
level should argue that LXDE is as much of a Desktop Environment as
Gnome, or that LXDE as much of a Window Manager as dwm.
One more thing: I think this whole wm/de thing is a useless
distinction that never should have been made.
Oh, and I claim authorship of the thing that Aitor agreed with: It was
me who said that, not KatolaZ.
SteveT
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Sorry Steve but there is a technical difference. Wikipedia:
*Metacity* /məˈtæsɪti/
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English>^[1]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metacity#cite_note-1> was the window
manager <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_manager> used by default
in the GNOME <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME> 2 desktop environment
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment>^[2]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metacity#cite_note-2> until GNOME 3,
where it was replaced by Mutter
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutter_%28window_manager%29>.
Talking of ignorance is excessive; but let's try to disentangle things.
Didier
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