Hi,
Since I received no replies I will attempt a manual edit of
netman-gui.postinst keeping debconf-41822e0-27.12.2015.patch as a
guide. Trying to persuade the patching software to accept the patch is
more likely to be time consuming, therefore, I am opting to do a
manual edit.
Edward
On 05/01/2
Hi,
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 5:24 AM, aitor_czr wrote:
> Hi Vicente,
>
> On 01/05/2016 10:58 AM, Vicente Vera wrote:
>
> AFAIK installing devuan-baseconf_0.6.4+devuan1_all.deb is pretty much
> the same as modifying sources.list by hand. I chose 0.6.4+devuan1
> because--correct me if I'm wrong:
>
>
Le 05/01/2016 20:25, Rob Owens a écrit :
- Original Message -
From: "Didier Kryn"
Le 05/01/2016 15:59, Rob Owens a écrit :
I have customers who use a shared /usr among several zLinux
systems, and the reason is cost savings.
For my information: They don't share rootfs? How do they
Le 05/01/2016 19:06, Rainer Weikusat a écrit :
During the last half of 1971, we supported three typists
from the Patent department, who spent the day busily typing,
editing, and formatting patent applications[*], and meanwhile
tried to carry on our own work.
On 06/01/16 07:55, k...@aspodata.se wrote:
> Rainer Weikusat:
> ...
>> The sensible way to handle this is really "the distribution ships a
>> kernel which optionally supports everything" (via aggressive
>> modularization) and people who think they want/ need more control over
>> this part of the sy
On Tue, Jan 05, 2016 at 09:20:31AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
> Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> > Clarke Sideroad writes:
> > > So I've been thinking more about this as to why?
> > >
> > > It is quite obvious that it is driven by Redhat to be the same as Oracle
> > > Solaris, they say as much.
> >
> > That
2016-01-05 19:55 GMT+01:00, k...@aspodata.se :
> Teodoro Santoni:
>> It's easier to
>> * avoid hacks in the login process if your software controls
>> everything from the power button to the session;
>
> I don't understand you.
> Don't we already control everything from secondary bootloader to logi
- Original Message -
> From: "richard lucassen"
> On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 09:51:22 -0500 (EST)
> Rob Owens wrote:
>
> [too much typing]
>
>> An experienced sysadmin who has to do this type of thing several
>> times a day would have designed this syntax for ease of use. The
>> systemd develo
- Original Message -
> From: "Didier Kryn"
> Le 05/01/2016 15:59, Rob Owens a écrit :
>> I have customers who use a shared /usr among several zLinux
>> systems, and the reason is cost savings.
> For my information: They don't share rootfs? How do they manage
> package upgrade?
I just
Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> Clarke Sideroad writes:
> > So I've been thinking more about this as to why?
> >
> > It is quite obvious that it is driven by Redhat to be the same as Oracle
> > Solaris, they say as much.
>
> That's "quite obviously" an after-the-fact justification and the
> correspondin
On Tue, 05 Jan 2016 18:06:08 +, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> Didier Kryn writes:
>
> [...]
>
I've read, from a guy who followed the story,that it was originally
split because the first disk was too
small.
>
> [...]
>
>> Good find Rainer. But I don't fully understand what
Hendrik Boom wrote:
>> An experienced sysadmin who has to do this type of thing several times a
>> day would have designed this syntax for ease of use. The systemd
>> developers did not do this, presumably because they do not have to type
>> these commands several times a day.
>
> I would no
k...@aspodata.se writes:
> Teodoro Santoni:
>> 2016-01-05 12:28 GMT+01:00, Karl Hammar :
>> > And what has "how to login" to do with "how to boot" ?
>>
>> It's easier to
>> * avoid hacks in the login process if your software controls
>> everything from the power button to the session;
>
> I don't
Rainer Weikusat:
...
> But the UNIX(*)-filesystem namespace is supposed to be
> device-independent and in absence of the special case of 'software
> needed to boot the system', no two directories are required to reside on
> the same physical device. That's a fundamental property of the system
> whi
Rainer Weikusat:
...
> The sensible way to handle this is really "the distribution ships a
> kernel which optionally supports everything" (via aggressive
> modularization) and people who think they want/ need more control over
> this part of the system can change that as they see fit (by compiling
Teodoro Santoni:
> 2016-01-05 12:28 GMT+01:00, Karl Hammar :
> > And what has "how to login" to do with "how to boot" ?
>
> It's easier to
> * avoid hacks in the login process if your software controls
> everything from the power button to the session;
I don't understand you.
Don't we already con
Didier Kryn writes:
[...]
>>> I've read, from a guy who followed the story,that it was originally
>>> split because the first disk was too
>>> small.
[...]
>> There's a paper by Dennis Richtie, "The UNIX Time-Sharing System"
[...]
>> The PDP-11 has a 1M byte fixed-head disk, used for
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 09:51:22 -0500 (EST)
Rob Owens wrote:
[too much typing]
> An experienced sysadmin who has to do this type of thing several
> times a day would have designed this syntax for ease of use. The
> systemd developers did not do this, presumably because they do not
> have to type th
On Tue, Jan 05, 2016 at 04:52:07PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 05/01/2016 15:59, Rob Owens a écrit :
> >I have customers who use a shared /usr among several zLinux
> >systems, and the reason is cost savings.
> For my information: They don't share rootfs? How do they manage
> package upgrade?
On Tue, Jan 05, 2016 at 09:51:22AM -0500, Rob Owens wrote:
>
> The problem is that the people behind this merge are inexperienced as system
> admins. Being a good programmer does not by itself qualify a person to
> decide on the types of changes they are proposing. You need to be an
> experienc
On Sun, Nov 08, 2015 at 09:30:04AM -0500, Patrice Remy wrote:
> After the reboot (half way through the instructions), those with a
> Wifi network card won't be able to continue (install xfce4, and so
> on...) because they won't be in x-windows anymore, and the
> network-manager app needs x-windows
On Tue, Jan 05, 2016 at 02:32:47PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 05/01/2016 14:30, Didier Kryn a écrit :
> >Le 08/11/2015 16:51, Haines Brown a écrit :
> >>Some people (but not I) might recommend LyX as a compromise.
> >
> >Lyx is not for newbies. It's convenient for experienced LaTeX
> >users
>I'm sure M$ has a good answer to this question.
>And GNOME has a registry, too, which is a very good thing to have, I was told
>;-)
Xfce has it as well but it is far from Windows' registry (though I am not
familiar with Windows at all),
it is simply a programme to manage XML configuration files
Le 05/01/2016 16:29, Rainer Weikusat a écrit :
Didier Kryn writes:
>Le 02/01/2016 03:44, Stephanie Daugherty a écrit :
>>Regardless of who proposed it, merged /usr is still a reckless change
>that needlessly complicates things.
>
>
> Hey Stephanie.
>
> The simple fact of splitting exe
On Tue, Jan 05, 2016 at 03:29:30PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
[cut]
> In our installation, for example, the root directory resides
> on the fixed-head disk, and the large disk drive, which con-
> tains user's files, is mounted by the system initialization
> program
>
>
Hi Aitor,
Sorry for taking so long to resume work on netman. At the moment I am
trying to apply your netman debconf patch. However, git apply --index
../aitor/debconf-41822e0-27.12.2015.patch is failing complaining that:
../aitor/debconf-41822e0-27.12.2015.patch:10: trailing whitespace.
#!/bin/sh
Le 05/01/2016 15:59, Rob Owens a écrit :
I have customers who use a shared /usr among several zLinux
systems, and the reason is cost savings.
For my information: They don't share rootfs? How do they manage
package upgrade?
Didier
___
Dng mai
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 09:06:24 -0600
Nate Bargmann wrote:
> Snicker. What next, naming partitions 'C', 'D', etc.? Rolls eyes.
Some time ago after having read this [*] Wired article, I joked that
Redmond and Redhat have merged and Poettering is in possession of the
Windows source code. I'm still n
Didier Kryn writes:
> Le 02/01/2016 03:44, Stephanie Daugherty a écrit :
>> Regardless of who proposed it, merged /usr is still a reckless change
> that needlessly complicates things.
>
>
> Hey Stephanie.
>
> The simple fact of splitting executables between two different
> directories *is*
A reboot should really be down on the user to know if they want to do that, so
I didn't include that in other versions and will take it out when improving the
original.
I think it could be done before apt-get dist-upgrade, but I want to test that
as it seems an unusual way to do it and it migh
2016-01-05 15:26 GMT+01:00, Rainer Weikusat :
> It's certainly possible to program something like this but even the
> 'mount /usr in initramfs' Debian-text admits that there's presently
> nothing which would need this, just something 'someone' might create
> in future. Within the envisioned 'releas
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 13:03:17 -
"dev1fanboy" wrote:
> I thought this might be an issue having run into something similar
> myself, thanks for confirming.
>
> I need to work out the right and simplest way to do it with wireless
> stations before writing in instructions.
>
> (...)
>
> On Sun
* On 2016 05 Jan 08:47 -0600, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> (still) quite plainly states that udev (it names no other examples) is
> developed based on the assumption that / and /usr reside on the same
> device and that any bug reports regarding this are WONTFIXes. IOW,
> that's a policy decision certai
- Original Message -
> From: "Roger Leigh"
> Regarding the comments people made about having separate / and /usr
> filesystems. While it was common historically, there is little or no
> practical benefit to doing so in 2016. Storage sizes make it
> unnecessary for pretty much all practi
- Original Message -
> From: "Didier Kryn"
> Le 02/01/2016 03:44, Stephanie Daugherty a écrit :
>> Regardless of who proposed it, merged /usr is still a reckless change > that
>> needlessly complicates things.
>
> The simple fact of splitting executables between two different
> direc
Clarke Sideroad writes:
> So I've been thinking more about this as to why?
>
> It is quite obvious that it is driven by Redhat to be the same as Oracle
> Solaris, they say as much.
That's "quite obviously" an after-the-fact justification and the
corresponding freedesktop.org text,
http://www.fre
Teodoro Santoni writes:
> 2016-01-04 21:43 GMT+01:00, Rainer Weikusat :
>> k...@aspodata.se writes:
>>> chaosesquet...@cock.li:
I don't understand the desire to change it at all.
>>>
>>> And neither do I.
>>> Except someone talked about ssl libs.
>>
>> Someone wrote about some PAM module whic
About backports, I found some issues there
Specifically, I had devuan debootstrap installed and upgrading would result in
getting a debian version
Also, not sure if it's the expected behaviour but when using the devuan
backports repo a dist-upgrade would pull in packages from there too
On Mond
Le 05/01/2016 14:30, Didier Kryn a écrit :
Le 08/11/2015 16:51, Haines Brown a écrit :
Some people (but not I) might recommend LyX as a compromise.
Lyx is not for newbies. It's convenient for experienced LaTeX
users because they can understand what they are doing.
Didier
_
So
Le 08/11/2015 16:51, Haines Brown a écrit :
Some people (but not I) might recommend LyX as a compromise.
Lyx is not for newbies. It's convenient for experienced LaTeX users
because they can understand what they are doing.
Didier
___
Dng ma
I thought this might be an issue having run into something similar myself,
thanks for confirming.
I need to work out the right and simplest way to do it with wireless stations
before writing in instructions.
wicd-gtk and wicd-curses might be an option to prevent this from happening, so
insta
2016-01-05 12:28 GMT+01:00, Karl Hammar :
> And what has "how to login" to do with "how to boot" ?
>
> Regards,
> /Karl Hammar
It's easier to
* avoid hacks in the login process if your software controls
everything from the power button to the session;
* get away with "your OS will die without my s
Katola2:
> On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 02:57:58AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
...
> there is really no magic skill involved. By using kernel-package the
> "skills" needed to do what you mention are just those needed to
> compile a standard kernel + invoking make-kpkg. There is also a
> relatively old howt
Teodoro Santoni:
> 2016-01-04 21:43 GMT+01:00, Rainer Weikusat :
> > k...@aspodata.se writes:
> >> chaosesquet...@cock.li:
> >>> I don't understand the desire to change it at all.
> >> And neither do I.
> >> Except someone talked about ssl libs.
> > Someone wrote about some PAM module which would r
Hi Vicente,
On 01/05/2016 10:58 AM, Vicente Vera wrote:
AFAIK installing devuan-baseconf_0.6.4+devuan1_all.deb is pretty much
the same as modifying sources.list by hand. I chose 0.6.4+devuan1
because--correct me if I'm wrong:
0.6.4+devuan1 = jessie
0.6.4+devuan2 = ascii
0.6.4+devuan3 = ceres
Hi Patrice,
On 01/05/2016 10:58 AM, Patrice Remy wrote:
After the reboot (half way through the instructions), those with a Wifi
network card won't be able to continue (install xfce4, and so on...)
because they won't be in x-windows anymore, and the network-manager app
needs x-windows to work, e
After the reboot (half way through the instructions), those with a Wifi
network card won't be able to continue (install xfce4, and so on...)
because they won't be in x-windows anymore, and the network-manager app
needs x-windows to work, ergo, no internet connection :(
On 2015-11-03 20:51, dev
Linux O'Beardly wrote:
> While many here would probably say it's not a good idea to run servers on
> Devuan until a production release, I am already running it on a number of
> servers.
That's good to know - I need to find time to do some testing myself.
> R. W. Rodolico wrote:
> BTW, while
Hi,
I had a similar problem. I changed my debian 8 to devuan and received a
similar message.
When I restart the laptop I got a grub prompt and manually start devuan.
I repaired the system running grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
Regards
On 2015-11-16 11:55, janpenguin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I
Hello, thank you. Actually it was your guides that moved me to switch to Devuan.
I was very confused at the time I made this thread. Now I know Wheezy
ISO images are perfectly operational; I thought they were "obsolete"
since Jessie came out! I have some doubts though.
These steps should work, I
Le 05/01/2016 04:30, Simon Wise a écrit :
On 05/01/16 08:10, Svante Signell wrote:
On Mon, 2016-01-04 at 20:43 +, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
k...@aspodata.se writes:
chaosesquet...@cock.li:
I don't understand the desire to change it at all.
See UsrMerge discussion on debian-devel. They wan
Hi Svante,
On 01/04/2016 11:00 PM, Svante Signell wrote:
The more we need to have vdev debianised then! aitor_csr, can I help? What about
eudev?
Now i'm progressing in netman-gtk3. Shortly i will follow with vdev.
Aitor.
@SteveT: I keep in mind to test your amounter :)
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