* On 2015 31 Dec 14:53 -0600, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Can you say "kdbus?"
That doesn't worry me much at this stage as unlike at the higher layers
where SD support seems to result in support for certain other APIs being
removed, the kernel has gained all sorts of features over the years that
are
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 15:51:10 -0500
Miles Fidelman wrote:
> A follow-up question: What, if anything, do you guys include in the
> way of init scripts?
>
> [My current observation is that systemd's biggest impact on my
> operation is that it kind of breaks some sysvinit scripts, and not a
> lot
* On 2015 31 Dec 14:53 -0600, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> YUP - made it very clear, and I basically agree with delineation. I tend to
> agree with Steve re. when to use, and not use, package management (and with
> Joel's comment re. "checkinstall" making it easier to remove things
> later.
Another g
On 12/31/15 2:05 PM, Simon Hobson wrote:
Mitt Green wrote:
I reckon as long as his Fedora boots, he doesn't care.
I think that's the key reason.
Linus is concerned with the kernel - and while I suspect he has personal preferences about what is
run on top of that, he's "detached" enough to
Follow-on question at the bottom
On 12/31/15 3:10 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
I guess I'm an "upstream", being the originator of the VimOutliner
project (probably a few thousand users), the UMENU project (probably
about 10 users), the Amounter project (2 confirmed users), and several
less-used pie
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 13:05:46 -0500
Miles Fidelman wrote:
> I'm really not sure where to bring this up, but this seems like as
> good a place as any, as it's been looking for alternatives to Debian
> that has flagged this issue for me (other suggestions welcome).
>
>
> In looking at Devuan, and
Nate Bargmann wrote:
> Hi Miles, et. al.
>
> As an upstream developer/maintainer and downstream user of packages both
> locally built and packaged, I've come to the conclusion that, at least
> in the case of Debian, building from source is for "those who know what
> they are doing." On the one ha
Hi Miles, et. al.
As an upstream developer/maintainer and downstream user of packages both
locally built and packaged, I've come to the conclusion that, at least
in the case of Debian, building from source is for "those who know what
they are doing." On the one hand, given the wide array of prebu
Mitt Green wrote:
> I reckon as long as his Fedora boots, he doesn't care.
I think that's the key reason.
Linus is concerned with the kernel - and while I suspect he has personal
preferences about what is run on top of that, he's "detached" enough to take
the attitude that what people want to
On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 06:11:15PM +, John Rigg wrote:
> Right click on icon in top right corner to show launch menu for WindowMaker
> graphical configuration tool. Launch tool. Scroll sideways to section you
> want. Configure. Save.
Forgot to add there's an online user guide at
http://windowm
On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 10:51:47AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> What's needed is a
> good document to really explain the Windowmaker philosophy, how to do
> things in Windowmaker, how to configure it so you don't need to
> create a million menus to drill down, and how you set a hotkey to
> perform an
I'm really not sure where to bring this up, but this seems like as good
a place as any, as it's been looking for alternatives to Debian that has
flagged this issue for me (other suggestions welcome).
In looking at Devuan, and a few other non-systemd distros (Gentoo,
FreeBSD, GUIXSD in particu
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 09:00:02 -0500
Mitt Green wrote:
> What I find ridiculous is this statement:
> "Our objectives: [...] Unifying pointless differences between
> distributions [...]"
That *is* ridiculous. So which is it: Are wall going to have rolling
releases, or is every one of us going to
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 10:03:40 +
KatolaZ wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 02:47:35PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 09:46:04 +0100
> > richard lucassen wrote:
> >
> > > Please do not forget WindowMaker which has been a lightweight,
> > > highly configurable and stable wm f
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 14:46:45 +
Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> Go Linux writes:
>
> > On Wed, 12/30/15, Franco Lanza wrote:
> >
> >> I think we should release a communicate about Ian
> >> to celebrate him and mourn he's death.
> >>
> >> R.I.P. Ian, you are the father of devuan too.
> >> --
Please excuse me, I know many of you can see this like a good tribute for
Ian, but naming "Ian" to the first Devuan stable release could sound like
using his name for the cause, at least for some evil-minded people.
He was a big man for the Open Source community, so let him R.I.P.
Please don't be
Go Linux writes:
> On Wed, 12/30/15, Franco Lanza wrote:
>
> Subject: [DNG] Ian Murdock
> To: dng@lists.dyne.org
> Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2015, 3:01 PM
> >
>> I think we should release a communicate about Ian
>> to celebrate him and mourn he's death.
>>
>> R.I.P. Ian, you are t
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 13:55:29 +0100 (CET)
k...@aspodata.se wrote:
> > Is there somewhere around an initrd.img and a vmlinuz to put on my
> > PXE boot server in order to be able to do a netinstall from PXE?
>
> apt-get install syslinux
> less /usr/share/doc/syslinux/pxelinux.txt.gz
I mean this, li
On 12/28/2015 12:37 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 11:16:17 +0100
> aitor_czr wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 12/28/2015 02:07 AM, Go Linux e.org wrote:
>>> It's quite a long list. If you see anything in there you can live
>>> without, please post to the issue on git
>>>
>>> #apt-cache show
>Still can't understand why so much stuff about systemd seems to allude
>to it being started as a personal project by LP & KS. Is that actually
>the case, or was it initiated and paid for by RH (as I suspect) ?
From what I've read, systemd began as kind of hobby, a side project,
and wasn't sponsor
On 30/12/15 23:41, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> I contend that Red Hat, who runs a consultancy and training, gets
> richer as Linux users know less. If Linux were simple, they'd get
> business only from the stupid.
>
Yup...
> Correlationally, Red Hat pays the salary of the group of
> people most respo
On 12/31/2015 03:47 AM, Simon Wise wrote:
>
> Personally I like Rox as a light file manager, it has its own unique
> workflow which takes a little getting used to but after that it offers
> a GUI interface that is very usable via keyboard alongside text
> interfaces as well as via mouse and via tou
Richard:
> Is there somewhere around an initrd.img and a vmlinuz to put on my PXE
> boot server in order to be able to do a netinstall from PXE?
apt-get install syslinux
less /usr/share/doc/syslinux/pxelinux.txt.gz
Regards,
/Karl Hammar
---
Hello list,
Is there somewhere around an initrd.img and a vmlinuz to put on my PXE
boot server in order to be able to do a netinstall from PXE?
R.
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On 2015-12-31 09:05, info at smallinnovations.nl wrote:
I support to dedicate the first stable Devuan to Ian. Not a beta which
will hopefully have a shorter lifetime then stable.
grtz
Nick
+1
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I support to dedicate the first stable Devuan to Ian. Not a beta which
will hopefully have a shorter lifetime then stable.
grtz
Nick
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I agree to both: release a communicate now and dedicate to him the first
beta or stable release.
Alberto
On 31/12/15 10:46, Micky Del Favero wrote:
Franco Lanza writes:
I think we should release a communicate about Ian
to celebrate him and mourn he's death.
I also think so.
Ciao, Micky
_
Go Linux writes:
> Perhaps Devuan should consider dedicating the Beta to Ian? After all
> Devuan it the true lineage of Debian IMO.
Good idea!
Ciao, Micky
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Franco Lanza writes:
> I think we should release a communicate about Ian
> to celebrate him and mourn he's death.
I also think so.
Ciao, Micky
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On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 05:32:12AM +0100, aitor_czr wrote:
> On 12/31/2015 12:25 AM, Go Linux wrote:
> >Perhaps Devuan should consider dedicating the Beta to Ian?
>
> They did so with debian lenny when Thiemo Seufer died.
>
> Aitor.
I agree. I vote to dedicate the first Devuan stable to Ia
On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 18:32:34 -0500
Steve Litt wrote:
> Except for Thunar's hit and miss handling of media like thumb drives
> and CDs, do you have anything against it?
I have forgotten the details, but I do remember that when I came to Debian from
another distribution that used PCManfm as defau
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 02:47:35PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 09:46:04 +0100
> richard lucassen wrote:
>
> > Please do not forget WindowMaker which has been a lightweight, highly
> > configurable and stable wm for many years.
> >
> > R.
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> I've been trying
On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 08:51:51AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 30/12/2015 22:06, fsmithred a écrit :
> >On 12/29/2015 09:30 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >>>I installed LXDE into my devuan alpha 2 system, but I do not know how
> >>>to ask for it. My system boots into a green login screen and when I
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 09:10:12 +0100
Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 31/12/2015 01:13, richard lucassen a écrit :
> > ... And every
> > habit is fighting for its life;-)
>
> Thanks Richard for casting this sentence. It is true for many
> things, text editor, programming language etc.
>
> I wat
On 29/12/15 04:37, Steve Litt wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2015 11:16:17 +0100
Your subject intrigues me. There are 2 reasons I prefer LXDE to Xfce:
1) LXDE is much lighter
2) LXDE is more reliable
If you can really lighten up Xfce, that addresses #1, and probably to
some extent alleviates #2. I be
On 31/12/15 10:32, Steve Litt wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 19:46:03 -0300
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 22:25:53 +0100
aitor_czr wrote:
I ought to like LXDE but that pcman file manager is rubbish!
IMHO, YMMV etc.
Do you really think so? I'm a hooligan of PCManFM :)
Lik
Le 31/12/2015 01:13, richard lucassen a écrit :
... And every
habit is fighting for its life;-)
Thanks Richard for casting this sentence. It is true for many
things, text editor, programming language etc.
I watched a war about endianness on an embedded-linux mailing list
~10 years a
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On 12/31/2015 12:25 AM, Go Linux wrote:
> Perhaps Devuan should consider dedicating the Beta to Ian?
I think it would be fitting if Devuan dedicated their first official
release to him.
R.I.P. Ian, you have inspired us all through your work and lif
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