Re: [DNG] lightweight graphics toolkits (was Experiencing with GtkBuilder)

2015-11-27 Thread Mitt Green
>>> It's not outdated since it's actively maintained. I agree that it >>> isn't eye-candy at all. But I would say it's easier to program than >>> ncurses. It has a loot of widgets. The advantage of ncurses is obviously >>> that it can run without X, therefore on very small systems; I wouldn't >>

Re: [DNG] lightweight graphics toolkits (was Experiencing with GtkBuilder)

2015-11-27 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 27/11/2015 21:29, Mitt Green a écrit : Please excuse yours truly, I haven't been following the thread. For XForms, I think it's a bit outdated (read *oldschool* and not "eye-candy" if you prefer) like Motif. It's not outdated since it's actively maintained. I agree that it isn't eye-c

Re: [DNG] lightweight graphics toolkits (was Experiencing with GtkBuilder)

2015-11-27 Thread Mitt Green
>>> The issue with Gtk is that it is part of Gnome and Gnome >>> is becoming >>> more and more entangled with Systemd. Well, I hope things won't get that mad, so we'll have gtk+ depending on systemd, and reckon it won't (: >>> Regarding writing an appli, I can only tell it's easy with >>> Xforms.

Re: [DNG] lightweight graphics toolkits (was Experiencing with GtkBuilder)

2015-11-27 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 27/11/2015 20:18, Mitt Green a écrit : So, what's so wrong with gtk+2? It is lightweight (fairly), doesn't have that unnecessary stuff (animations, transparent scrollbars, "client-side decorations") and has better theme support. Mitt I have personnaly nothing against neither Gtk+* nor Q

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

2015-11-27 Thread Ron
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 11:47:31 -0700 Gregory Nowak wrote: > > Have you considered IPFire ? It is a firewall distribution, derived from > > IPCop, and they have a stable 2.15 release that runs on the RaspberryPI B > > (NOT B+) and an Alpha 2.17 that runs on the B+. > > http://wiki.ipfire.org/en/ha

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

2015-11-27 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 11:47:31AM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > I have considered other SOC devices, but it looks like the pi2 > has the most ram out of all of them. Thanks to everyone for your input so far. I had a more careful look at the banana pi, and see it has at least 1g of ram. I might go

Re: [DNG] lightweight graphics toolkits (was Experiencing with GtkBuilder)

2015-11-27 Thread Mitt Green
So, what's so wrong with gtk+2? It is lightweight (fairly), doesn't have that unnecessary stuff (animations, transparent scrollbars, "client-side decorations") and has better theme support. Mitt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglist

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

2015-11-27 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 07:44:38AM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > Have you considered IPFire ? It is a firewall distribution, derived from > IPCop, and they have a stable 2.15 release that runs on the RaspberryPI B > (NOT B+) and an Alpha 2.17 that runs on the B+. > > http://wiki.ipfire.org/en/h

Re: [DNG] Experiencing with GtkBuilder

2015-11-27 Thread aitor_czr
Sorry: libgtk-3.0 --> 3.14.5-1+deb8u1 libgtk-3-dev --> 3.14.5-1+deb8u1 glade--> 3.18.3-1 Aitor. On 11/27/2015 04:47 PM, aitor_czr wrote: Hi Edward, I'm using the versions of jessie: libgtk-3.0 libgtk-3-dev glade -> 3.18.3-1 But, don't worry, the GUI is done. Now, i have to control

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

2015-11-27 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:57:50 +0100 Riccardo Boninsegna wrote: > Yes, on a Pi 2 which has a "standard" ARM7 core and so is covered by > the common definition of armhf. I confirm that I had been tampering with a Raspberry Pi 2B, successfully installing the full xfce4 desktop environment from the D

Re: [DNG] Experiencing with GtkBuilder

2015-11-27 Thread Roger Leigh
On 26/11/2015 22:50, Rainer Weikusat wrote: Svante Signell writes: On Thu, 2015-11-26 at 19:36 +, Roger Leigh wrote: On 26/11/2015 17:53, Svante Signell wrote: On Thu, 2015-11-26 at 17:04 +, Roger Leigh wrote: On 26/11/2015 15:00, Svante Signell wrote: On Thu, 2015-11-26 at 15:33 +0

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

2015-11-27 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 10:55:51 +0100 Florian Zieboll wrote: > Also, you can use the Raspbian unattended netinstaller[1] to get a > very minimal Debian Jessie and then point apt to the Devuan > repository. Correcting myself: Of course you'd want to install Raspbian Wheezy, not Jessie, to avoid th

Re: [DNG] lightweight graphics toolkits (was Experiencing with GtkBuilder)

2015-11-27 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 25/11/2015 00:50, Timo Buhrmester a écrit : What's left after Qt and Gtk have been removed? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLTK Here is a summary of my readings on FLTK and Xforms: Both FLTK and Xforns originate from the same older /Forms/ library. Both are available from debian

Re: [DNG] Experiencing with GtkBuilder

2015-11-27 Thread aitor_czr
Hi Edward, I'm using the versions of jessie: libgtk-3.0 libgtk-3-dev glade -> 3.18.3-1 But, don't worry, the GUI is done. Now, i have to control the signals... Cheers, Aitor. On 11/27/2015 04:14 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: Hi Aitor et al, I tried Glade 3.18.3 but found it enforces the use

Re: [DNG] Experiencing with GtkBuilder

2015-11-27 Thread aitor_czr
#ifndef IMHO #define IMHO Hi all, HTH, Aitor. #endif //IMHO (Hey, i'm learning english with VUAs) On 11/27/2015 01:00 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 26/11/2015 17:12, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : >In case this wasn't plain enough: You shouldn't just use C++ because >some C++ user is convinced

Re: [DNG] Experiencing with GtkBuilder

2015-11-27 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi Aitor et al, I tried Glade 3.18.3 but found it enforces the use of gtk3.* which happens to be quite different from previous versions. Even the way components are managed on a form or a container seems different. Therefore, it makes sense to ask which version you (Aitor) are using. I want to avo

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

2015-11-27 Thread John Crisp
On 27/11/15 05:36, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > I'm curious about the use as a router. How many physical net > connections can a raspberry pi have? > As per other comments yes, one Ethernet port. I have a USB ethernet (little Edimax job) and use mine as a VERY basic router that runs openvpn to my

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

2015-11-27 Thread dev1fanboy
There's some steps here that might help: http://sjoerd.luon.net/posts/2015/02/debian-jessie-on-rpi2/ You could just adapt the steps by doing it on Devuan. Another alternative is the banana pi: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Allwinner I have a beagle bone black with Devuan install

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

2015-11-27 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
On November 27, 2015 1:44:00 PM GMT+01:00, "Rainer H. Rauschenberg" wrote: >Will this really work? AFAIR Raspbian was created because of the >specific >Arm-processor/Soc that Raspeberry Pi uses, which doesn't suit armhf as >well as armel, so many programms have to be recompiled. Yes, on a Pi

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

2015-11-27 Thread Rainer H. Rauschenberg
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015, Florian Zieboll wrote: > On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 10:55:51 +0100 > Florian Zieboll wrote: > > > Also, you can use the Raspbian unattended netinstaller[1] to get a > > very minimal Debian Jessie and then point apt to the Devuan > > repository. > > Correcting myself: Of course yo

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

2015-11-27 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 10:55:51 +0100 Florian Zieboll wrote: > Also, you can use the Raspbian unattended netinstaller[1] to get a > very minimal Debian Jessie and then point apt to the Devuan > repository. Correcting myself: Of course you'd want to install Raspbian Wheezy, not Jessie, to avoid th

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

2015-11-27 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 10:55:51 +0100 Florian Zieboll wrote: > Also, you can use the Raspbian unattended netinstaller[1] to get a > very minimal Debian Jessie and then point apt to the Devuan > repository. Correcting myself: Of course you'd want to install Raspbian Wheezy, not Jessie, to avoid th

[DNG] test

2015-11-27 Thread f . zieboll
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Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

2015-11-27 Thread Ron
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 21:31:21 -0700 Gregory Nowak wrote: > I think the subject makes my question clear enough, but I'll provide > some background. The x86_64 machine I'm currently using as a > router/freenet node/i2p node has some components which are on the > brink of failing, the mobo seems to b

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

2015-11-27 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 08:15:23 + Simon Hobson wrote: > Also consider the other issue, it's using an SD card for storage. The Pi only needs the boot partition on the SD card. You can easily put the root FS onto a USB HDD – which of course will narrow down the USB bottleneck even further. Also

[DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

2015-11-27 Thread info at smallinnovations.nl
Hi Greg, There is a quite informative howto from Adafruit for using a console cable on https://learn.adafruit.com/downloads/pdf/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-5-using-a-console-cable.pdf which is agnostic to which distribution you use. But the other end is usb not a 9 pins serial cable if you

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

2015-11-27 Thread Simon Hobson
Gregory Nowak wrote: > From what I read, the 2nd generation B has one 10/100 ethernet port > which is a network card on one of the pi's usb ports. Besides that, it > does have four usb ports, and you can hook up hubs to those as well of > course. That is correct - one 10/100 ethernet which is a