Re: [DNG] How real is this?

2015-08-04 Thread arnt
It may be complete enough for that. Depends on your hardware, perhaps. Arnt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] How real is this?

2015-08-04 Thread tilt!
Rainer Weikusat wrote on 04/08/2015 at 23:05 CEST: [...] I was asking if Devuan is complete enough that it can be used by someone willing to put work in fixing bugs. Yes. I recommend signing up on https://git.devuan.org/ for that purpose. Kind regards, T.

Re: [DNG] OT: sociopolitical systems

2015-08-04 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Hendrik Boom writes: > On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 06:58:35PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> >> I completely get your point. I'd actually go one step further and state >> that 'meritocracy' is obviously bullshit because people are neither >> omniscient nor do they make objective desicisions. Furth

Re: [DNG] How real is this?

2015-08-04 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Steve Litt writes: > On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 12:45:19 +0100 > Rainer Weikusat wrote: > >> I'm looking for an upgrade path for a Debian wheezy installation I >> can't keep forever. I wouldn't mind some rough edges as I'm perfectly >> capable of fixing any bugs I could conceivably encounter myself but

Re: [DNG] How real is this?

2015-08-04 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 12:45:19 +0100 Rainer Weikusat wrote: > I'm looking for an upgrade path for a Debian wheezy installation I > can't keep forever. I wouldn't mind some rough edges as I'm perfectly > capable of fixing any bugs I could conceivably encounter myself but > I'd prefer having a workab

[DNG] OT: sociopolitical systems

2015-08-04 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 06:58:35PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > I completely get your point. I'd actually go one step further and state > that 'meritocracy' is obviously bullshit because people are neither > omniscient nor do they make objective desicisions. Further, large-scale > attempts at

Re: [DNG] Unmingling kdbus and the Linux kernel

2015-08-04 Thread Rainer Weikusat
tilt! writes: [...] > Rainer Weikusat wrote on 04/08/2015 at 12:57 CEST: >> tilt! writes: >> [...] >> I nevertheless have to disagree with this somewhat: To a degree, >> everything is a fad and people never intentionally further a bad >> cause. That's why open discussion of ideas is important a

[DNG] A suggestion for devuan-baseconf postinst building code

2015-08-04 Thread Rainer Weikusat
This presently doesn't work on Debian wheezy because the corresponding dpkg-parsechangelog doesn't support -S. Using sed to extract this field, as in DSUITE=$(shell dpkg-parsechangelog | sed -n 's/^Distribution: \(.*\)/\1/p') would be more portable. Further, the postinst building code is "oneshot

Re: [DNG] How real is this?

2015-08-04 Thread Rainer Weikusat
tilt! writes: [...] > Finally I did > >~# apt-get install devuan-baseconf > > to have the relevant APT setup taken care automatically, but that > package currently has a bug ([1]), and I recommend not installing it; > because of a typo it creates a "/data" directory in root. Oh wow ... ---

Re: [DNG] How real is this?

2015-08-04 Thread tilt!
Hi Rainer, I can only reply to your first question ATM: Rainer Weikusat wrote on 04/08/2015 at 13:45 CEST: I'm looking for an upgrade path for a Debian wheezy installation I can't keep forever. I wouldn't mind some rough edges as I'm perfectly capable of fixing any bugs I could conceivably enco

Re: [DNG] Unmingling kdbus and the Linux kernel

2015-08-04 Thread tilt!
KatolaZ wrote 04/08/2015 at 14:22 CEST: >> [...] >> One one last note, I more generally think that in the wider field of >> science, phenomena such as commercialization of research and "Duh >> Science" are powered by similar mechanisms. > > And in fact I pointed out that deciding which facts are m

Re: [DNG] Unmingling kdbus and the Linux kernel

2015-08-04 Thread KatolaZ
On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 02:00:36PM +0200, tilt! wrote: > Hello KatolaZ and Rainer, [cut] > > Using the amount of contributions as a metric that decides over the > influence an individual can exert in future decision-making of a project > means discarding the fact that contributions can be "bloat

Re: [DNG] Unmingling kdbus and the Linux kernel

2015-08-04 Thread Ron
On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 11:57:15 +0100 Rainer Weikusat wrote: > people never intentionally further a bad cause. True, but beware that their perception of "a good cause" may be completely off the wall. The "final solution" in 1930's Germany comes to mind as an example of this... Cheers, Ron. -

Re: [DNG] Unmingling kdbus and the Linux kernel

2015-08-04 Thread tilt!
Hello KatolaZ and Rainer, I thank both of you for your replies and before anything else I would like to state that I am someone who has accomplished next to no mentionable contributions to free software at all. What I do have is lots of project experience and even a little background in research

[DNG] How real is this?

2015-08-04 Thread Rainer Weikusat
I'm looking for an upgrade path for a Debian wheezy installation I can't keep forever. I wouldn't mind some rough edges as I'm perfectly capable of fixing any bugs I could conceivably encounter myself but I'd prefer having a workable base to start from over "Linux From Scratch". Also, is there som

Re: [DNG] Unmingling kdbus and the Linux kernel

2015-08-04 Thread Rainer Weikusat
tilt! writes: [...] >Short: A (scientific) meritocracy is vulnerable to (scientific) fads. > > Example #2: SystemD. Watch in amazement a software that is > technically and scientifically unreasonable being amalgamated into > a widely adopted industry standard by people who

Re: [DNG] Unmingling kdbus and the Linux kernel

2015-08-04 Thread KatolaZ
On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 12:09:31PM +0200, tilt! wrote: > Hello there, > > KatolaZ wrote on 04/08/2015 at 09:36 CEST: > >[...] > >The free software community is probably one of the last truly > >democratic and meritocratic social environments. > > While I appreciate your idealism a lot and am happ

Re: [DNG] Unmingling kdbus and the Linux kernel

2015-08-04 Thread tilt!
Hello there, KatolaZ wrote on 04/08/2015 at 09:36 CEST: [...] The free software community is probably one of the last truly democratic and meritocratic social environments. While I appreciate your idealism a lot and am happy to hear people still (or again?) talk like that, I feel the urge to p

Re: [DNG] Unmingling kdbus and the Linux kernel

2015-08-04 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 03/08/2015 19:23, Steve Litt a écrit : On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 16:00:27 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: Devuan is not opposed to kdbus, nor even to systemd. People here want the freedom to not use systemd; they don't deny others the right to use it, nor to use kdbus. Devuan was created out of a

Re: [DNG] Unmingling kdbus and the Linux kernel

2015-08-04 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 02:34:52PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > I was of the impression, that to modify the kernel, a PhD was a must. > I cannot be blamed for this impression, as I am an EU citizen, which > has been agressively pushing for more qualifications of its work > force. The extent of th