Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-26 Thread T.J. Duchene
That's a very gracious offer, Steve, and I'm sure it will be greatly appreciated. =) If I might say so, I HATE automount. Click to mount is fine, but automounting peripheral drives like jump drives, CDs and whatnot is an inexcusable security risk, in my opinion, even under a UNIX. Mounting shoul

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-26 Thread Steve Litt
You can roll your own automount with one day's work using inotify-wait, dmesg, sudo, lsblk, and the mount command. Works without X or window manager. Heck, I'll do it myself if more than 20 people want it. SteveT Steve Litt July 2015 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-26 Thread James Powell
I seriously doubt Xfce will go fully into systemd since they forked ConsoleKit2 and have been updating it to perform all the work of logind. I just wish Xfce would write their own automount utility to replace udisks. From: Teodoro Santoni

Re: [DNG] OT: some ancient programming language history

2015-07-26 Thread T.J. Duchene
On Sun, 2015-07-26 at 23:58 +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > > > Ada is not an acronym, it's after the first name of the first > person who wrote programs, the daughter of Byron, the english poet. Yes, I know. > > Ada is used in many places where human life is at stake: eg. > planes, missile

Re: [DNG] OT: some ancient programming language history

2015-07-26 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 26/07/2015 20:19, T.J. Duchene a écrit : On 07/26/2015 11:08 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: I also had a long discussion with some of the guys in charge of the ADA project -- they really wanted the security that comes from completely automatic storage management but they couldn't afford to have

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-26 Thread Jaromil
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015, Steve Litt wrote: > I thought we'd decided on Xfce sure! we are not debating a new decision on the default desktop here ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-26 Thread Teodoro Santoni
Good evening, On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 02:49:54PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > I thought we'd decided on Xfce, and I'd thought that we managed to > de-xxx-ize Xfce. Everyone (except me) likes Xfce, why not use it? > It's trivial to use, even for somebody who's never seen it before. > It's the Nan

Re: [DNG] OT: some ancient programming language history

2015-07-26 Thread Miles Fidelman
T.J. Duchene wrote: ADA! I remember that! I've not used it in the better part of 20 years. Nicely designed language for its time - and very strict. Having learned C in advance of ADA, I never liked its Pascal style operators. Too bad the only one who really uses it in the US is the gove

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-26 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 09:43:26 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 12:21:14PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > > I personally don't see way we should have CDE as a default in Devuan, > given that the large majority of users would surely prefer something > *usable* instead than a DE that was co

Re: [DNG] OT: some ancient programming language history

2015-07-26 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 07/26/2015 11:08 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: I also had a long discussion with some of the guys in charge of the ADA project -- they really wanted the security that comes from completely automatic storage management but they couldn't afford to have their weapons systems stop for garbage collec

[DNG] OT: some ancient programming language history

2015-07-26 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 04:52:10PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 25/07/2015 20:55, Hendrik Boom a écrit : > >... > >>>This really > >>>violates the standing principle of "paying for only what you use." > >I encountered this principle long ago when I got involved in the > >design and implementation

Re: [DNG] GTK (was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?)

2015-07-26 Thread Jaromil
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015, Didier Kryn wrote: > >I encountered this principle long ago when I got involved in the > >design and implementation of Algol 68 -- they deliberately violated it > >with one feature -- they decided that everyone would pay the price of > >a procedure calling mechanism that suppor

Re: [DNG] GTK (was Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?)

2015-07-26 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 25/07/2015 20:55, Hendrik Boom a écrit : ... >This really >violates the standing principle of "paying for only what you use." I encountered this principle long ago when I got involved in the design and implementation of Algol 68 -- they deliberately violated it with one feature -- they decid

[DNG] KVM over IP project by nextime (aka Rasky)

2015-07-26 Thread Jaromil
re all, here a new project pitched by Devuan lead developer and co-founder Nextime to design and build a free and open source (as well open hardware) KVM over IP device and software in the form of a RaspberryPI module. https://www.nexlab.net/product/rasky/ I recommend it to everyone interested:

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-26 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 07/26/2015 03:43 AM, KatolaZ wrote: I agree on keeping an eye on GNUStep but, despite I am a WMaker user, I wouldn't recommend it as a default in Devuan either. HND KatolaZ Just my two cents, Realistically, I believe the only sane choice for a *default* is XFCE 4.12. Aesthetically, a

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-26 Thread KatolaZ
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 12:21:14PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jul 2015, T.J. Duchene wrote: > > > >Not really, it wasn't a 'favorite' because it was not free. > > I'm just saying that actual CDE use was rather a niche. Most used > > something else "back in the day." > > didn't it ship by