> vdev is available and from what I understand should be able to provide
> what udev provides, but (a) I'm not sure what the status of
> libudev-compat is; (b) vdev doesn't have an init script or mkinitramfs
> integration yet; and (c) not all the compatability links are provided.
> As far as I know
> What I found was that PC-BSD would do the job. OpenBSD is the best OS
> I've ever seen, and I would have moved to that a year ago, except that
> its VM ability is disfunctional, meaning I can't run those few apps
> that don't run on OpenBSD. Also, OpenBSD's file system's performance on
> file cre
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 07:10:59PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:27:23 -0500
> Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 09:57:29AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > >
> > > If you're talking about Devuan, yes, it is! I got on the Devuan
> > > mailing list just to escape s
hi David,
On Tue, 24 Feb 2015, David Harrison wrote:
> After a long chat with a couple of developers on the #xfce channel,
thanks!
> it seems they have no plans to introduce hard systemd dependencies.
good news :^)
> Consolekit2 is a fork maintained independently of Xfce by one of
> their te
On Tue, 24 Feb 2015, Steve Litt wrote:
> As far as I know, wicd depends on dbus, which is why I'm thinking of
> making a substitute.
As mentioned in a previous thread, we are leaning towards connman
these days one VUA is active patching some details in it and keeping
contact with its upstream de
On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 17:06:47 +0100
Didier Kryn wrote:
> I discovered the name of wicd on this list recently. I didn't
> try it, therefore I can't compare, but it looks that it has more
> diverse interfaces than wpasupplicant, CLI, GUI and even Curses. I
> will probably try it the first time
On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:27:23 -0500
Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 09:57:29AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > If you're talking about Devuan, yes, it is! I got on the Devuan
> > mailing list just to escape systemd, and have been pleasantly
> > surprised by how Devuan is re-archite
* On 2015 24 Feb 09:16 -0600, Rob Owens wrote:
> After some debate, that last dependency was changed to
> systemd-shim | systemd-sysv. That it required any debate at all
> makes me wonder where some of the Debian devs' heads are at.
It makes me wonder if the idea of installing anew rather than
> [
> From: David Harrison
> To: dng@lists.dyne.org
>
> Last week I volunteered (was volunteered?) to contact the Xfce team and
> ask them whether systemd loomed on their horizon. Here is the report
> that was promised.
>
David, you are awesome! =) Thanks so much for taking the time
Greets to all,
Other obligations have consumed me, though I'm still lurking and reading
when I can
With regards to the general discussions surrounding systemd, its agenda and
future, I find the most analogous situation would be what Microsoft
attempted to accomplish with its version of Java, na
> From: Rob Owens
> To: dng@lists.dyne.org
>
> - Original Message -
>
> > From: "T.J. Duchene"
> >
> >
> >
> > Gnome already depends on systemd, but the apps do not.
>
> Not exactly true. My eyes were open to the systemd problem when I
> installed brasero on Jessie and it wanted
Hi Everyone,
I was getting desparate thinking there will be no alternative to systemd's
logind.
I also saw the consolekit was depreciated for quite a while. Alas! I was
happy to
find this just now:
https://github.com/ConsoleKit2/ConsoleKit2
I would be happy to see this packaged for devuan.
Che
>> > I think this question goes together with the badge or logo
question. It
>>> must go beyond "sans-systemd";
> >> it is more about principles. Let's list some:
> >>
>> > - freedom of choice,
>> > - interchangealility of solutions to a given need,
>> > - reduce inter-dependencies to the st
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:31:54PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 05:06:47PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> >
> >
> > I discovered the name of wicd on this list recently. I didn't
> > try it, therefore I can't compare, but it looks that it has more
> > diverse interfaces th
Hi all,
Last week I volunteered (was volunteered?) to contact the Xfce team and
ask them whether systemd loomed on their horizon. Here is the report
that was promised.
After a long chat with a couple of developers on the #xfce channel, it
seems they have no plans to introduce hard systemd de
On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 10:26:49 AM dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote:
> Re: [Dng] Important changes in Linux 3.20 (4.0?)
> From: Isaac Dunham
> To: Hendrik Boom
> CC: dng@lists.dyne.org
>
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 11:40:06AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 1
On Mon, 2/23/15, Noel Torres wrote:
Subject: Re: [Dng] Init Freedom badges
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Monday, February 23, 2015, 3:28 PM
[cut]
>
> I'd prefer any logo that does not use english initials or play on words.
>
> er Envite
___
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 05:06:47PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
>
>
> I discovered the name of wicd on this list recently. I didn't
> try it, therefore I can't compare, but it looks that it has more
> diverse interfaces than wpasupplicant, CLI, GUI and even Curses. I
> will probably try it the f
oh good. glad to read that our linux kernel friends are more sane than our
distro friends.
--Gravis
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:47 AM, Isaac Dunham wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 11:40:06AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 10:26:01AM -0500, Gravis wrote:
> > > > Kernel l
On Tue, 2/24/15, Go Linux wrote:
Subject: Re: [Dng] logo again.
To: dng@lists.dyne.org, "Hendrik Boom"
Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 10:33 AM
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at
12:04:43AM +, Noel Torres wrote:
>
> Spiral galaxies always have at least TWO arms.
Which is why I thought a two-ar
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:57 AM, Noel Torres wrote:
> We have RAID tools like mdadm for RAID, and filesystems like ext4 or Reiserfs
> for file storage.
>
> Why would I want a tool combining both?
You'd want one so you can, for isntance, avoid a RAID5 write hole. ZFS
seems pretty cool, the only d
On 24/02/2015 16:33, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote:
Inevitably, the idea of a badge leads to a foundation entitled to
stamp distros with the badge. I am wondering if only a clear phrasing of
the principles would be enough, without the impediments and the
sectarism of a foundation.
You
On Tue, 2/24/15, Hendrik Boom wrote:
Subject: [Dng] logo again.
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2015, 6:28 AM
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at
12:04:43AM +, Noel Torres wrote:
>
> Spiral galaxies always have at least TWO arms.
Which is why I thought a two-armed spiral,
On 24/02/15 11:26, Didier Kryn wrote:
Hello Anto.
I have used Nginx on Squeeze and I am pretty sure it was missing
extras. I had to compile and install all Nginx and php-fpm packages
from a third party repository to have it - I wanted to use the PAM
module as intermediate to Kerberos auth
On 24/02/15 00:32, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
On wheezy i don't see nginx-extras depending on udev or any systemd*.
I don't have jessie but i couldn't trace any dependencies on
packages.debian.org either. Where did you see these dependencies? Can
you apt-rdepend them? The closest i could find was ngin
Le 22/02/2015 21:11, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :
1) In the default desktop environment for Devuan, will there be an
icon or other discoverable item the user can click to see a list of
available wifi network connections?
2) When the DE's main menu pops up, will the user be able to
_immediately_
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 09:57:29AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> If you're talking about Devuan, yes, it is! I got on the Devuan mailing
> list just to escape systemd, and have been pleasantly surprised by how
> Devuan is re-architecting everything.
Does that meerly reflect how systemd is dearchit
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 01:51:21AM +1100, Tzu-Pei Chen wrote:
> At 24/02/2015 11:28 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:04:43AM +, Noel Torres wrote:
> >>
> >> Spiral galaxies always have at least TWO arms.
>
> Except when they don't ;) as in the case of NGC 4725. (
> http://
Le 24/02/2015 10:49, Jaromil a écrit :
dear Neo Futur,
On Tue, 24 Feb 2015, Neo Futur wrote:
>its a general philosophy of design and openness
FYI, I'm busy on such a topic for my Ph.D dissertation and will be happy
to share the results once finished.
> >it is more about principles. Let's l
- Original Message -
> From: "T.J. Duchene"
>
> Gnome already depends on systemd, but the apps do not.
Not exactly true. My eyes were open to the systemd problem when I
installed brasero on Jessie and it wanted to change my init system.
Brasero depends on gvfs to detect removable med
On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 03:44:56 -0500
Neo Futur wrote:
> ( renaming the thread )
>
> > I think this question goes together with the badge or logo
> > question.
> It does !
>
> > It must go beyond "sans-systemd";
> exactly its much more than just "sans systemd", its a general
> philosophy of
On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 11:12:51 +0800
Robert Storey wrote:
> Although I'm very hopeful that Devuan will be my future distro of
> choice, we're still not there yet. I thought it might be prudent for
> me to survey the other possibilities that do not depend on systemd.
> So yesterday, I decided to giv
At 24/02/2015 11:28 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:04:43AM +, Noel Torres wrote:
>
> Spiral galaxies always have at least TWO arms.
Except when they don't ;) as in the case of NGC 4725. (
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap130530.html )
:) Tzup
-.___.("\-``'-/") Tzu-Pei
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 07:28:39AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:04:43AM +, Noel Torres wrote:
>
> There is a public-domain drawing of the Milky Way, but it presents
> the Milky Way as a barred galaxy, and the par seems to have been kind
> of air-brushed onto the im
On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 22:33:28 +
Noel Torres wrote:
> On Saturday, 21 de February de 2015 18:52:22 Nate Bargmann escribió:
> > * On 2015 20 Feb 11:56 -0600, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 08:59:33 -0800
> > >
> > > Go Linux wrote:
> > > > We all knew this was coming . . .
> > > >
On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 16:46:34 -0600
"T.J. Duchene" wrote:
>
>
> > My philosopher as a free software author is this: The buck stops
> > with me. If my software screws up, it's my fault and my
> > responsibility to fix, regardless of the actual root cause is in
> > code I wrote or a tool I use.
>
On 2015-02-22 20:11, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> [...]
> 2) When the DE's main menu pops
> up, will the user be able to _immediately_ start typing characters
> and see a list of applications filtered to match what is being
> typed?
> [...]
Hello there,
I am aware of two ways to achieve this, wh
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 05:47:04AM +, Isaac Dunham wrote:
> > > > Kernel live patching makes KDBUS and systemD support mandatory!
>
> Erm...I'm reading that kdbus was *not* merged.
>
> FWIW, kdbus was specifically mentioned when Linus blacklisted Kay Sievers.
> V3 seems to have gotten a lot o
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:04:43AM +, Noel Torres wrote:
>
> Spiral galaxies always have at least TWO arms.
Which is why I thought a two-armed spiral, based on a real galaxy,
would be appropriate. Clearly different from Debian's spiral, anyway.
The Milky Way indeed seems to have two main a
On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 13:33:01 +0700
Ста Деюс wrote:
> > > FUCK YOU
> > Qu'en termes gracieux ces choses là sont dites...
> Just filter out the non-human!
Will do.
Идите с Богом
Ron.
--
Silent enim leges inter arma.
-- Marcus Tullius
Доброго времени суток, Renaud.
Спасибо за ответ, Wed, 11 Feb 2015 16:07:23 -0300, вы писали:
> "Usspookes Lovesystemd" wrote:
>
> > FUCK YOU
>
> Qu'en termes gracieux ces choses là sont dites...
Just filter out the non-human!
С уважением,
Ста.
_
Le 23/02/2015 20:15, Anto a écrit :
What is not clear to me is that, what will happen to udev or all
systemd related packages that are currently required by nginx-extras
and php5-fpm for instance? Will I need to do certain tweak or will
switching the repository to Devuan and do dist-upgrade be
dear Neo Futur,
On Tue, 24 Feb 2015, Neo Futur wrote:
> its a general philosophy of design and openness
FYI, I'm busy on such a topic for my Ph.D dissertation and will be happy
to share the results once finished.
> > it is more about principles. Let's list some:
> >
> > - freedom of choice,
>
( renaming the thread )
> I think this question goes together with the badge or logo question.
It does !
> It must go beyond "sans-systemd";
exactly its much more than just "sans systemd", its a general
philosophy of design and openness
> it is more about principles. Let's list some:
>
>
Am Dienstag, 24. Februar 2015 schrieb Robert Storey:
> Although I'm very hopeful that Devuan will be my future distro of choice,
> we're still not there yet. I thought it might be prudent for me to survey
> the other possibilities that do not depend on systemd. So yesterday, I
> decided to give Fre
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