Op dinsdag 10-02-2009 om 20:09 uur [tijdzone +0900], schreef Russell
Keith-Magee:
> Time is an extremely limited resource on any volunteer project,
And if you chase away potential volunteers that maybe want to implement
a certain feature, time will become an even more limited resource...
--
Ja
Part of Igor's problem is the Avalanche effect:
"... I need to install one more tool ... requires some
dependencies ..."
Avalanches can of course rumble rumble ... in installing or learning
anything at all,
not just Django. Two kinds of Avalanches:
a) what do I need to install ?
b)
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Andrew Ingram wrote:
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> 2009/2/11 Alex Gaynor :
>> This is another case of generating work for someone as far as I can tell,
>> sphinx autogenerates the make file for us, we didn't write it. To switch to
>> some other system means to rewrite work that we didn't
igorlash wrote:
> Russ Magee , I've got a question personally to you.
> Why do we need to use make ? Why this build can't be done without make
> but only with python ?
Who cares as long as "make html" works? Until you started this thread, I
had never built the docs. I have a full-time Internet con
Hi Andrew,
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Andrew Ingram wrote:
> Regardless of your opinion on using windows for development, such
> developers exist (I use windows at work and osx at home). Not having
> the time to develop a cross-platform build script for the docs is one
> thing but it's pre
> If this is what you believe, then you either don't understand what
> make does, or you don't understand how to read make files. Either way,
> I suggest doing some reading and experimentation.
I know something about make. But I think you don't understand what
make is and what make is used for.
L
2009/2/11 Alex Gaynor :
> This is another case of generating work for someone as far as I can tell,
> sphinx autogenerates the make file for us, we didn't write it. To switch to
> some other system means to rewrite work that we didn't need to do
> originally.
>
> Alex
If this is the case then ma
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Horst Gutmann wrote:
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> This might sound slightly off-topic but I will say it anyway: No one
> forces you to use `make` for building the documentation. Once you've
> installed Sphinx, you also have `sphinx-build` on your $PATH::
>
> $ cd $djangofolder/docs
>
This might sound slightly off-topic but I will say it anyway: No one
forces you to use `make` for building the documentation. Once you've
installed Sphinx, you also have `sphinx-build` on your $PATH::
$ cd $djangofolder/docs
$ sphinx-build . _build/html
-- Horst
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 1:
2009/2/11 Russell Keith-Magee :
> Rubbish. Make is widely understood by anyone that has spent more than
> 30 minutes working with Unix, or has graduated from a CS course at any
> halfway decent university.
>
> Even if this wasn't true - you don't need to understand make files to
> use them. If you
I'm sure this guy is joking ;)
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Russell Keith-Magee
wrote:
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> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:09 PM, igorlash wrote:
>>
>> But if you take a look at Makefile you will find that this file has
>> only creating folders and running processes. So make isn't used as
>> rea
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:09 PM, igorlash wrote:
>
> But if you take a look at Makefile you will find that this file has
> only creating folders and running processes. So make isn't used as
> real build tool in django.
If this is what you believe, then you either don't understand what
make does,
Maybe, could we end this dicussion with statement, that
1] There are no HTML Doc to download on django site.
2] Nobody plans to work on in at the moment.
3] There is a way to generate the doc on user side.
4] If it's framework-selection criteria for someone, so django will not pass it.
Continuin
But if you take a look at Makefile you will find that this file has
only creating folders and running processes. So make isn't used as
real build tool in django.
> Make was used because it is suited to the task, is free, is widely
> available, and is widely understood as a build tool.
Make is wi
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:24 PM, igorlash wrote:
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> Russ Magee , I've got a question personally to you.
> Why do we need to use make ? Why this build can't be done without make
> but only with python ? A lot of companies try to avoid using make and
> moving projects to python as build tool.
Mak
Russ Magee , I've got a question personally to you.
Why do we need to use make ? Why this build can't be done without make
but only with python ? A lot of companies try to avoid using make and
moving projects to python as build tool.
On Feb 11, 1:59 am, Russell Keith-Magee
wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 1
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 8:41 PM, igorlash wrote:
>
> The django community should allow to download html version of
> documentation to make this project more attractive , I'm sure it
> doesn't take a lot of time to generate it on configured environment.
You're sure, are you? Have you actually wri
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:52 AM, Greg Ewing wrote:
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> Alex Gaynor wrote:
>
>> As I said above, a checkout of the django source includes all the docs,
>> which can be built into nice HTML just as online with the sphinx module
>> for python. It takes all of 30 seconds.
>
> Only if you have all th
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Greg Ewing wrote:
>
> Alex Gaynor wrote:
>
> > As I said above, a checkout of the django source includes all the docs,
> > which can be built into nice HTML just as online with the sphinx module
> > for python. It takes all of 30 seconds.
>
> Only if you have all
Alex Gaynor wrote:
> As I said above, a checkout of the django source includes all the docs,
> which can be built into nice HTML just as online with the sphinx module
> for python. It takes all of 30 seconds.
Only if you have all the necessary tools and dependencies
installed and working, whi
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Greg Ewing wrote:
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> Russell Keith-Magee wrote:
>
> > No - we don't provide a PDF version of the documentation. This idea
> > has been proposed a few times in Django's history, but it has been
> > rejected in favour of providing the tools to let people build offli
Russell Keith-Magee wrote:
> No - we don't provide a PDF version of the documentation. This idea
> has been proposed a few times in Django's history, but it has been
> rejected in favour of providing the tools to let people build offline
> versions by themselves.
What about an offline HTML versi
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:41 AM, igorlash wrote:
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> > If I have correctly interpreted you correctly, this was an
> > extraordinarily long-winded way to ask "Is there anywhere I can
> > download a PDF of the Django documentation, and if not, why not?"
>
> I've not asked "Is there anywhere I can
>
> If I have correctly interpreted you correctly, this was an
> extraordinarily long-winded way to ask "Is there anywhere I can
> download a PDF of the Django documentation, and if not, why not?"
I've not asked "Is there anywhere I can
download a PDF of the Django documentation, and if not, why no
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 4:21 PM, igorlash wrote:
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> Hi everybody.
> I'm java developer , and I like comparing web frameworks.
> Members of django community talk a lot about easiness of django
> especially comparing with java frameworks. But they have not compared
> all aspects. And I want to com
Hi everybody.
I'm java developer , and I like comparing web frameworks.
Members of django community talk a lot about easiness of django
especially comparing with java frameworks. But they have not compared
all aspects. And I want to compare one of them.
As user of good web framework I want to have
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