If a piece of software (or any engineering product) is designed properly and
flexible enough to easily fix with attacks, then actually, product and
attacker form a symbiotic relationship where the attacker actually helps the
product head to impermeability.
This is true of most things that get hack
hi mike,
sry i dont want to be unkind but could you please turn the mail delivery
confirmation off when you write to a list?!
thx
Mike Ramirez wrote:
> On Monday 16 November 2009 20:12:57 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
>
>> anyway, in pitching for django (in particular), python and postgresql in
>>
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:38:35 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves
wrote:
> On Monday 16 Nov 2009 10:44:27 pm Mike Ramirez wrote:
>> > it is precisely this assumption that does not seem logical to me. But
>> > frankly I do not know how to counter it ;-)
>> >
>>
>> How is it not logical? Product A is widely
On Monday 16 November 2009 20:12:57 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> anyway, in pitching for django (in particular), python and postgresql in
> general, I put safe code as number one in the list. And I personally am
> confident (after seeing the work done in the last 5 years in django, python
> and post
On Tuesday 17 Nov 2009 8:46:31 am Mike Ramirez wrote:
> On Monday 16 November 2009 18:08:35 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> > On Monday 16 Nov 2009 10:44:27 pm Mike Ramirez wrote:
> > > > it is precisely this assumption that does not seem logical to me. But
> > > > frankly I do not know how to counte
On Monday 16 November 2009 18:08:35 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> On Monday 16 Nov 2009 10:44:27 pm Mike Ramirez wrote:
> > > it is precisely this assumption that does not seem logical to me. But
> > > frankly I do not know how to counter it ;-)
> >
> > How is it not logical? Product A is widely use
On Monday 16 Nov 2009 10:44:27 pm Mike Ramirez wrote:
> > it is precisely this assumption that does not seem logical to me. But
> > frankly I do not know how to counter it ;-)
> >
>
> How is it not logical? Product A is widely used, Product B is used less.
> Bad Guy A. is smart enough to real
Tom Evans wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:25 AM, Melvyn Sopacua
> mailto:msopa...@warp10.thruhere.net>> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:53:26 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves
> mailto:law...@au-kbc.org>>
> wrote:
> > On Monday 16 Nov 2009 6:50:10 am Christophe Pettus wrote:
> >
On Sunday 15 November 2009 19:23:26 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> On Monday 16 Nov 2009 6:50:10 am Christophe Pettus wrote:
> > On Nov 15, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> > > I do also point out to plone vs drupal, but there again the
> > > argument is the drupal is more widely used and h
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:25 AM, Melvyn Sopacua <
msopa...@warp10.thruhere.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:53:26 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves
> wrote:
> > On Monday 16 Nov 2009 6:50:10 am Christophe Pettus wrote:
> >> On Nov 15, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> >> > I do also point o
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:53:26 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves
wrote:
> On Monday 16 Nov 2009 6:50:10 am Christophe Pettus wrote:
>> On Nov 15, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
>> > I do also point out to plone vs drupal, but there again the
>> > argument is the drupal is more widely used and hen
On Monday 16 Nov 2009 6:50:10 am Christophe Pettus wrote:
> On Nov 15, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> > I do also point out to plone vs drupal, but there again the
> > argument is the drupal is more widely used and hence has more
> > observable
> > vulnerabilities. It does not sound
Hi, new to the list here, but I've been doing Django dev for a while
now and Drupal as well. In fact, at my workplace (60-person web design/
development shop) I'm leading a similar charge to move us away from
Drupal development towards Django.
I took a look at your post and thought I'd add a few t
On Nov 15, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> I do also point out to plone vs drupal, but there again the
> argument is the drupal is more widely used and hence has more
> observable
> vulnerabilities. It does not sound logical.
I don't think that anyone is seriously arguing that a pi
On Monday 16 Nov 2009 6:13:43 am shacker wrote:
> That's a tricky area - we have to be very careful about saying that
> anything is "more secure" than anything else. We don't want to give
> false hopes/impressions to managers, and we have to remember that part
> of the reason for Django's security
On Nov 12, 4:56 pm, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> >http://birdhouse.org/blog/2009/11/11/drupal-or-django/
>
> looks like you have missed out on security - count the number of critical
> holes in drupal over the past year with the one hole in django in the past 4
> years. btw, I tried to comment on yo
On Friday 13 Nov 2009 4:26:44 am scot.hac...@gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks everyone for the additional comments. Draft #2 is up now, with
> substantial changes and additions based on your feedback.
>
> Yes, I'd like to get feedback from some Drupal people, but again want
> to focus on devs who have w
Thanks everyone for the additional comments. Draft #2 is up now, with
substantial changes and additions based on your feedback.
Yes, I'd like to get feedback from some Drupal people, but again want
to focus on devs who have worked in *both* systems. If you know of
anyone who has, feel free to poi
On Nov 12, 11:16 am, shacker wrote:
> I just wanted to thank everyone for their excellent contributions to
> this thread. Sorry I got side-tracked for a while. I've just put up a
> pretty complete draft of a post on this topic, written with decision
> makers (managers, supervisors) in mind. It's s
Hi Scot
> I just wanted to thank everyone for their excellent contributions to
> this thread. Sorry I got side-tracked for a while. I've just put up a
> pretty complete draft of a post on this topic, written with decision
> makers (managers, supervisors) in mind. It's still probably somewhat
> tec
On 12 nov, 01:16, shacker wrote:
> I've just put up a
> pretty complete draft of a post on this topic, written with decision
> makers (managers, supervisors) in mind. It's still probably somewhat
> technical for that group, but that's the nature of the topic.
>
> http://birdhouse.org/blog/2009/1
I just wanted to thank everyone for their excellent contributions to
this thread. Sorry I got side-tracked for a while. I've just put up a
pretty complete draft of a post on this topic, written with decision
makers (managers, supervisors) in mind. It's still probably somewhat
technical for that gr
2009/10/31 shacker
>
> Things like the announcement that
> whitehouse.gov switched to Drupal just cement the deal in many
> managers' minds.
>
>
I can't find the source for this (the original tweeter has protected tweets)
but if true its an interesting stat.
http://twitter.com/pydanny/status/526
On Oct 31, 8:44 am, shacker wrote:
> At the university where I work, there is a LOT of momentum behind
> Drupal. A large and active users group, and dozens of departmental
> sites running it. I've succeeded in building a few departmental sites
> with Django but still feel like it's an uphill ba
On Saturday 31 October 2009 12:00:13 Christophe Pettus wrote:
> On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Mike Ramirez wrote:
> > I do not understand why web developers who use php, still do.
>
> PHP has a large, and (perhaps more importantly) easy-to-find ecosystem
> surrounding it. I think that Python's su
On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Mike Ramirez wrote:
> I do not understand why web developers who use php, still do.
PHP has a large, and (perhaps more importantly) easy-to-find ecosystem
surrounding it. I think that Python's superiority as a language is
simply not open to debate, but if you a
On Saturday 31 October 2009 10:42:24 Andy McKay wrote:
> One key thing to remember is that Django and Drupal (and the other
> things you mentioned) are quite different things. You are comparing
> apples to oranges which makes the sell harder.
>
> Drupal is a CMS and has a different target audience
On Oct 31, 10:42 am, Andy McKay wrote:
> One key thing to remember is that Django and Drupal (and the other
> things you mentioned) are quite different things. You are comparing
> apples to oranges which makes the sell harder.
To clarify - I'm very aware that one is a framework and the other
One key thing to remember is that Django and Drupal (and the other
things you mentioned) are quite different things. You are comparing
apples to oranges which makes the sell harder.
Drupal is a CMS and has a different target audience. It has the level
of complexity that comes from solving t
On Oct 31, 2009, at 1:20 PM, Alexandru Nedelcu wrote:
> Another thing you could do is to implement your own CMS in Django that
> has most of the features managers are looking for ...
That's *exactly* what scares the crap out of managers; custom code vs.
something "everyone" is using. You're
For me, Drupal is anti-developers. Indeed, it is very hard to balance
a platform to be friendly both to users and to developers, and IMHO,
Drupal is decent but doesn't do great on anything (ease of use, ease
of development, scalability, etc...).
Drupal has many more third-party modules.
But those
At the university where I work, there is a LOT of momentum behind
Drupal. A large and active users group, and dozens of departmental
sites running it. I've succeeded in building a few departmental sites
with Django but still feel like it's an uphill battle convincing
managers to agree to go with a
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