Re: Tone of discussion

2018-09-05 Thread Bernhard E. Reiter
Hi Andreas, Am Mittwoch 05 September 2018 07:31:05 schrieb Andreas Nilsson: > > Please respect that I can speak out for whomever I'd like, whenever I > > like. > I usually don't post here but this is a tone I'm not comfortable with > from you Bernhard. You don't have an automatic right to copy so

Re: Tone of discussion

2018-09-05 Thread Bernhard E. Reiter
Hi Andreas, Am Mittwoch 05 September 2018 08:59:54 schrieb Bernhard E. Reiter: > While we are at speaking as oneselfs: > Another example I'd find un-acceptable is astro-turfing or using > sockpuppets to make it appear like an opinion is carried by many people. My message could have been missinter

Re: Daniel on discussion@ (Re: what makes a good president and chairperson?)

2018-09-05 Thread Paul Boddie
On Wednesday 5. September 2018 08.42.17 Bernhard E. Reiter wrote: > > Am Dienstag 04 September 2018 23:22:33 schrieb Daniel Pocock: > > are you trying to change/misrepresent the intention of > > somebody else's email? > > please read the exchange again and look at the quotes, > I was asking what

Re: Daniel on discussion@ (Re: what makes a good president and chairperson?)

2018-09-05 Thread Bernhard E. Reiter
Paul, Am Mittwoch 05 September 2018 11:47:54 schrieb Paul Boddie: > Although we should always be cautious about whether people are who they > claim to be on the Internet, we should also exercise restraint in accusing > people of not being who they might say they are. Otherwise, we risk denying > s

Re: what makes a good president and chairperson?

2018-09-05 Thread Bernhard E. Reiter
Hi Stefan, Am Dienstag 04 September 2018 13:07:28 schrieb Stefan Uygur: > This is becoming really noisy now, l have asked clearly to stop this debate > that is running on different threads and let the main representative to > feedback and respond to issues raised. Not accusations but issues. > App

Re: Bernhard lectures on discussion@ (Re: what makes a good president and chairperson?)

2018-09-05 Thread Matthias Hager
My connection with Daniel?  He is our representative, long live our representative Looks like you are trying to whip up another excuse to send our rep back to us in a body bag and evade answering serious questions funny FSFE accusing people of trolling and identity abuse, maybe the whole organiz

Re: Bernhard lectures on discussion@ (Re: what makes a good president and chairperson?)

2018-09-05 Thread Bernhard E. Reiter
Hi Matthias, Am Mittwoch 05 September 2018 14:16:15 schrieb Matthias Hager: > My connection with Daniel?  He is our representative, long live our > representative A number of people that were previously supporter or fellows-only have to become into internal communication channels and the e.V. m

Let us keep being friendly with each other (aka some words from your list-admins)

2018-09-05 Thread Erik Albers
Dear all, Exchanging opinions and discussing them in public is very important for our community. Sometimes, discussions can become emotional and sometimes debaters use a too offensive language although, possibly unintentionally. In the last days we have seen some heated debates coming up on this l

Re: Tone of discussion

2018-09-05 Thread Andreas Nilsson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi Bernhard. > While we are at speaking as oneselfs: > Another example I'd find un-acceptable is astro-turfing or using > sockpuppets > to make it appear like an opinion is carried by many people. > What do you think about this? For opinions, one h

Re: Daniel on discussion@ (Re: what makes a good president and chairperson?)

2018-09-05 Thread Stefan Uygur
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 7:42 AM Bernhard E. Reiter wrote: > > please read the exchange again and look at the quotes, > I was asking what ostend...@gmail.com meant by quoting from an HTML mail > by > matthias.ha...@zoho.eu. > > BTW: as both email addresses have no direct hits on an internet search

Re: using abuse to avoid serious issues on discussion@ (Re: what makes a good president and chairperson?)

2018-09-05 Thread Daniel Pocock
Bernhard, A private message sent to the GA list just yesterday contradicts what you said. Would you like to republish all the GA mails in public or would you prefer to simply acknowledge you were wrong and withdraw everything you said? What is really sinister about your attack on me is that you

Re: Nacht der langen Messer on discussion@ (Re: what makes a good president and chairperson?)

2018-09-05 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 05/09/18 08:42, Bernhard E. Reiter wrote: > Hi Daniel, > > Am Dienstag 04 September 2018 23:22:33 schrieb Daniel Pocock: >> are you trying to change/misrepresent the intention of >> somebody else's email? > > please read the exchange again and look at the quotes, > I was asking what ostend..

Re: selective censorship (aka some words from your list-admins)

2018-09-05 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 05/09/18 16:49, Erik Albers wrote: > The list administration would like to help bring back a good tone and > discussion culture by moderating the discussion if necessary and for now we > set new subscriptions to the list on moderation. > The most offensive accusations made on the list today

Re: selective censorship (aka some words from your list-admins)

2018-09-05 Thread Stefan Uygur
And for once l quote you totally. It is ridiculous and shameful behaviour of this individual. Outrageous. They all should resign unanimously because l see no one stopping this madness from inside. On Wed, 5 Sep 2018, 19:25 Daniel Pocock, wrote: > > > On 05/09/18 16:49, Erik Albers wrote: > > >

Re: to git or not to git

2018-09-05 Thread Alessandro Rubini
> Using Mercurial instead of git is also a bit like using another kernel > instead of Linux. It seems unnecessary to use something else when you already > have something that works, but it's useful to have working options in case > you find yourself using a device without a Linux port but with Free

Re: using abuse to avoid serious issues on discussion@ (Re: what makes a good president and chairperson?)

2018-09-05 Thread Florian Snow
Hi Daniel, Daniel Pocock writes: > A private message sent to the GA list just yesterday contradicts what > you said. I am sorry, but I have no idea what you are trying to say. > Would you like to republish all the GA mails in public or > would you prefer to simply acknowledge you were wrong a

Re: using abuse to avoid serious issues on discussion@

2018-09-05 Thread bernhard
Hi Daniel, Am Mittwoch, 5. September 2018, 20:21:08 CEST schrieb Daniel Pocock: > A private message sent to the GA list just yesterday contradicts what > you said. I don't think it does. I've tried to explain internally and externally to you why I see your behaviour as damaging to FSFE . And

Re: using abuse to avoid serious issues on discussion@

2018-09-05 Thread lukerogers
5. Sep 2018 21:24 by bernh...@fsfe.org : > My point is not about attacking you, but about getting back to a situation The point most people would get from your emails over the last weeks would be that you are an immature bully who probably doesn't have a job. 

Re: Daniel on discussion@ (Re: what makes a good president and chairperson?)

2018-09-05 Thread Andreas Nilsson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi Stefan. I couldn't help but notice the nature of how disappointed you seem to be at Bernhard. I don't know what Bernhard has done in the past days that this debate might have taken place but I do know that stating a view on a doing that hasn't be

Silent majority (was: supporting our fellowship representative)

2018-09-05 Thread bzg
Hi all, I don't know nothing about what's been talked about in this thread. This is just a reminder that there are probably many subscribers like me who don't have a clue of what is at stake here. Perhaps you should gather in a field, organize a tournament and come back when someone wins -- or h

Re: Silent majority

2018-09-05 Thread Timothy Pearson
On 09/06/2018 12:25 AM, b...@gnu.org wrote: > Hi all, > > I don't know nothing about what's been talked about in this thread. > > This is just a reminder that there are probably many subscribers like > me who don't have a clue of what is at stake here. > > Perhaps you should gather in a field, o