[lopsa-discuss] IT Policy Discuss

2010-05-21 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
For the moment, I am not asking you what you think is good policy. For the moment, I am only asking for feedback on my intended style, to introduce policy in an organization that formerly had none. I'm looking for perspective outside my own brain and eyeballs. Please imagine you are a user

Re: [lopsa-discuss] IT Policy Discuss

2010-05-21 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
To: Joe User (that's you) Subject: Invitation to join it-policy-disc...@domain.com mailing list: Hi, this is Ned. I can simply create and dictate IT policy, but I don't want to become unpopular, and I hate taking the "police" role. Users should have some buy-in, some influence on what

Re: [lopsa-discuss] IT Policy Discuss

2010-05-21 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
This is the draft, of the first email that I plan to send to the list, later today, or maybe tomorrow. Subject: [it-policy-discuss] Intro to IT Policy Discuss Subject: Intro to IT Policy I have accepted the task to write (the company's) official IT policy. Some parts of it seem like

Re: [lopsa-discuss] IT Policy Discuss

2010-05-21 Thread Matt Disney
On Fri, 21 May 2010 09:43:36 -0400, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > [...] > I can simply create and dictate IT policy, but I don't want to become > unpopular, and I hate taking the "police" role. Users should have some > buy-in, some influence on what the policy will be. And Users should > underst

Re: [lopsa-discuss] IT Policy Discuss

2010-05-21 Thread Atom Powers
I like the direction you are going with this, and I wish you success, but let me share some personal experiences. Whenever I've tried to get feedback from general employees about policies it has been difficult, to say it mildly. Most people don't care about policies or procedures unless it prevent

Re: [lopsa-discuss] IT Policy Discuss

2010-05-21 Thread Brian Mathis
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > For the moment, I am not asking you what you think is good policy. > > For the moment, I am only asking for feedback on my intended style, to > introduce policy in an organization that formerly had none. > > I’m looking for perspective ou

Re: [lopsa-discuss] IT Policy Discuss

2010-05-21 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: discuss-boun...@lopsa.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lopsa.org] On > Behalf Of Brian Mathis > > ... > > I understand the impulse to get everyone together and be the nice guy > about this, but you can't. The reason why I'm unwilling to simply choose a policy as I see fit, and cram it down t

Re: [lopsa-discuss] IT Policy Discuss

2010-05-21 Thread Atom Powers
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > The reason why I'm unwilling to simply choose a policy as I see fit, and > cram it down their throats, is because I expect compliance without using > punishment as the motivation factor.  This necessitates that people feel > some voluntar

Re: [lopsa-discuss] IT Policy Discuss

2010-05-21 Thread Graham Dunn
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > > The reason why I'm unwilling to simply choose a policy as I see fit, and > cram it down their throats, is because I expect compliance without using > punishment as the motivation factor.  This necessitates that people feel > some volun

Re: [lopsa-discuss] IT Policy Discuss

2010-05-21 Thread Luke Quattrochi
Edward, Brian wasn't recommending you cram it down anyone's throats. I'm with him on this. I think you need to take a more professional tack. "Get some feedback AFTER you have something written. YOU are the expert, and this is what YOU are getting paid for." If you truly want their assistance

Re: [lopsa-discuss] IT Policy Discuss

2010-05-21 Thread Brian Mathis
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: >> From: discuss-boun...@lopsa.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lopsa.org] On >> Behalf Of Brian Mathis >> >> ... >> >> I understand the impulse to get everyone together and be the nice guy >> about this, but you can't. > > The reason why I'm u

Re: [lopsa-discuss] IT Policy Discuss

2010-05-21 Thread Robert Hajime Lanning
Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > The reason why I'm unwilling to simply choose a policy as I see fit, and > cram it down their throats, is because I expect compliance without using > punishment as the motivation factor. This necessitates that people feel > some voluntary commitment and understanding of

Re: [lopsa-discuss] IT Policy Discuss

2010-05-21 Thread Robert Brockway
On Fri, 21 May 2010, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > Subject: Invitation to join it-policy-disc...@domain.com mailing list: I recommend getting permission from management to subscribe all (relevant) staff. All too often apathy wins and few people will subscribe voluntarily (even with all the good